2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[Saint Domingo]

We have had results this season. Against big teams, we've performed well.

We have been incredibly inconsistent though and poor against teams where we need to hold possession and break them down.

We shouldn't need players, supposedly of the calibre of ours, to be 'managed' to beat a team like Sheffield Utd.

It’s odd how quickly a performance can derail. The United cup QF for example. Now I’m not saying the outcome would have been different but Docuoure started that game like an absolute rolls Royce, full of confidence, little feints in midfield, balls round the corner, looking the business. Michael Keane on the other hand gave away his first three passes including leathering one out of play for no reason whatsoever. All of a sudden his absolute unprovoked sloppiness started to spread and within minutes a player like Docuoure who had started full of confidence was diminished to one who could barely trap the ball and play it back. It took us 20 minutes just to get a foothold in that game and we were lucky to still be 0-0 by the time we actually started playing. Same at the Burnley game, we started off creating chances, playing through the lines, they couldn’t get the ball, then Davies makes an error and they score and the whole team collapses.

I think Carlo is used to creating virtuous systems where confident players play their best football and the team gets better for it. The unprofessional sloppiness of some of these players kills that though. He can train them all week yet come match day one of them will treat a ball like they’ve never seen it before and within 5 minutes we can barely put a pass together. We shouldn’t need him to micromanage this group but I think unless they have a drill for absolutely everything they are incapable of thinking for themselves.

It’s a tricky one because the very best teas are often those who can think for themselves like Ancelotti/Zidane’s Madrid. They could win in multiple different ways even over teams drilled within an inch of their lives. This group of players are as thick as anything and very unprofessional so this approach might not work. That being said they’ve been drilled in the past and that didn’t work either.

 

[gwladysnight]

The longer Carlo spends at a club the worse they become.

 

[cronullasharks]

The longer Carlo spends at a club the worse they become.

Oh hi

 

[Osamabindiesel]

He looked like a man that had given up on the season and was experimenting to be honest. Just seemed a strange time to try this formation when we had everyone back

 

[davek]

See Dave, I think Carlo can get it right but not with these players. I do think that's a fair point.

But, we should be better than this after 17 months, and that isn't just on the players.

So not sure if Carlo was the wrong pick. I think we've seen improvements. But we've also seen a lot of things which have stagnated or have got worse.

If James isn't fit, which we accept as a trade off, then we have this really defensive way of playing but it can get us points. We can mix it up in certain games (Leeds away a good example) but generally we sit deep and that does seem to make us look more comfortable.

But if James is fit, we try to play expansive, but if he's not playing well, which he didn't today, we're basically out of ideas.

Said it all season long, too much of our play relies on inch-perfect passes because we don't sustain moves, we can't build pressure, it's just aimless and hit and hope.

Here's the big conundrum for me: if we have one of the great managers (and his record suggests we have) then how come we have a load of players who look lacking in confidence in their own ability?

Look at Rodgers: in many ways an utter bluffer, but he knows football and how to get a team believing in themsleves. He got a kick and run Liverpool to within a Gerrard slip of the title; Celtic he builds on their dominance up there; Leicester he re-establishes as a top 4 team and wins a trophy.

I want a team again. Moyes had that, but he couldn't manage for 'kin toffee in terms of coaching ability.

One of these days we're going to get it right on a manager (the blend) and we'll be up and running...just not any time soon.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

The longer Carlo spends at a club the worse they become.

So so bad it equated to 4 points from your boys.

 

[windymiller]

No mate. People can disagree, the point is that insult lashing isn’t on.

There's plenty of folk on here who only insult people and with things much more severe than calling someone delusional without being threatened with bans. Just not mods, I guess.

 

[Tubey]

Maybe, juuuust maybe, Carlo should stop rewarding bad behavior then?

We've been absolutely crap for about 90% of this season and he's chosen the same players who disappoint almost literally every week. Richarlison is undroppable after being a League 1 player this year. Carlo's job is to get the team ready and perform when they step on that pitch. If they don't perform, consistently, and he doesn't drop the ones who fail to do what he tells them to do, how is that NOT on him?

Because who the hell does he play instead? Broadhead? The academy kids and get relegated?

He has no tools to work with.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

My only faith was we would let Brands contract expire this summer and we went out and appointed someone with knowledge of whats required to succeed in the Premier League as I feel Brands signs too many players who would do well on the continent but not here in terms of physicality/pace.

My worry with Carlo is more his style of management - as I've said previously he's a very good manager but I dont think his style suits a club like us who haven't 11 world class players on the pitch who are self motivated week in week out.

We need imo a Sgt Major type who drills everything into them like Moyes used to do who literally ran the club and sadly is what Klopp has been doing at the RS since he arrived, Biesla another at Leeds who has a lot of control.

Maybe he can adjust his management style but I doubt he will when realistically he could walk away and get another job tomorrow like Mourinho.

I posted earlier mate, it was a question from someone else and it was along the lines of is Carlo the right manager to build a team from a squad of players who are mostly cack when he's been used to going in to teams who have already got a load of boss/world class players and all he has to do is tweak.

 

[Lob]

None of them have any excuses left whatsoever Manager included. These same players and Manager after the first 8 games in all competitions achieved 7 wins, 1 draw with 26 goals for and 10 against. That could not be any further than what we have seen for at least the full second half of this season. One of the worst home records in our club history, players strolling around not even assed, unable to even pass the ball 5 feet to a team mate and being regularly beaten and shamed by the poorest teams in the league, Manager unable to get them motivated, unable to instil a mindset and philosophy, unable to influence and change a game at any point in it, setting up too defensive due to fear of his players being crap again. Just goes on and on.

They are all responsible, Manager included and I am ashamed to be an Evertonian and wont be watching the last 2 games, season is over for me. Cannot take any more suffering and embarrassment by a bunch of numpties that aren't interested in playing for us.

At least Carlo has had the decency to come out and be honest about the current state of things. I feel sorry for him as these no mark chancers have made him look bad. Hopefully he is given the power to do whatever he wants in the summer and get as many of these wasters out of the club as possible even if we lose money and get some players here who want to play for Everton.

 

[luuk_deventer]

We have had results this season. Against big teams, we've performed well.

We have been incredibly inconsistent though and poor against teams where we need to hold possession and break them down.

We shouldn't need players, supposedly of the calibre of ours, to be 'managed' to beat a team like Sheffield Utd.

All players do need to be managed, even the very best players.

The squad needs fresh new talent, I agree. But I think that another manager, one who is used to working with less capable, less experienced players sets this team up differently and is able to get a better performance out of this squad.

Carlo is a legend of the game and he’s worked with legendary players of the game. He hasn’t made his name and won his cups with the type of players that he currently has available to him.

So something has to give.

Either the club buy 7 or 8 new top quality players (RB, CB, CM, CM, RW, LW, CF) to give CA the tools he’s used to, and we as fans accept that until those players come in then it’s very unlikely that the team will break the top six. That probably will not happen in one summer.

Or Carlo is maybe not the right person for this club at this stage in it’s development, to squeeze the maximum potential ability from an average group of players.

It matters whether your view is that the current team are underachieving, overachieving or performing at their expected level. Everyone has different thoughts on that.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

None of them have any excuses left whatsoever Manager included. These same players and Manager after the first 8 games in all competitions achieved 7 wins, 1 draw with 26 goals for and 10 against. That could not be any further than what we have seen for at least the full second half of this season. One of the worst home records in our club history, players strolling around not even assed, unable to even pass the ball 5 feet to a team mate and being regularly beaten and shamed by the poorest teams in the league, Manager unable to get them motivated, unable to instil a mindset and philosophy, unable to influence and change a game at any point in it, setting up too defensive due to fear of his players being crap again. Just goes on and on.

They are all responsible, Manager included and I am ashamed to be an Evertonian and wont be watching the last 2 games, season is over for me. Cannot take any more suffering and embarrassment by a bunch of numpties that aren't interested in playing for us.

At least Carlo has had the decency to come out and be honest about the current state of things. I feel sorry for him as these no mark chancers have made him look bad. Hopefully he is given the power to do whatever he wants in the summer and get as many of these wasters out of the club as possible even if we lose money and get some players here who want to play for Everton.

I think the whole "squad is rotten" argument doesnt always hold up in fairness.

I mean only Coleman was around during the Martinez days and Coleman/DCL/Keane/Pickford/Gylfi from the Koeman/Alladyce days yet people say that our squad has seen off "loads of managers".

Reality is most of our current players have been around during the Silva/Carlo reigns - maybe they just haven't been coached right?

We look a million miles away from the team that played at the start of the season - why is that? Why has the formation and system constantly been changed by the manager etc?

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

Here's the big conundrum for me: if we have one of the great managers (and his record suggests we have) then how come we have a load of players who look lacking in confidence in their own ability?

Look at Rodgers: in many ways an utter bluffer, but he knows football and how to get a team believing in themsleves. He got a kick and run Liverpool to within a Gerrard slip of the title; Celtic he builds on their dominance up there; Leicester he re-establishes as a top 4 team and wins a trophy.

I want a team again. Moyes had that, but he couldn't manage for 'kin toffee in terms of coaching ability.

One of these days we're going to get it right on a manager (the blend) and we'll be up and running...just not any time soon.

I guess Spurs really WERE that bad back in September...had me fooled.

 

[Jebus_lives]

All players do need to be managed, even the very best players.

The squad needs fresh new talent, I agree. But I think that another manager, one who is used to working with less capable, less experienced players sets this team up differently and is able to get a better performance out of this squad.

Carlo is a legend of the game and he’s worked with legendary players of the game. He hasn’t made his name and won his cups with the type of players that he currently has available to him.

So something has to give.

Either the club buy 7 or 8 new top quality players (RB, CB, CM, CM, RW, LW, CF) to give CA the tools he’s used to, and we as fans accept that until those players come in then it’s very unlikely that the team will break the top six. That probably will not happen in one summer.

Or Carlo is maybe not the right person for this club at this stage in it’s development, to squeeze the maximum potential ability from an average group of players.

It matters whether your view is that the current team are underachieving, overachieving or performing at their expected level. Everyone has different thoughts on that.

It's this option.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

If you think Bielsa is motivated by money then you’ve got him all wrong. The man lives in a flat above a corner shop and only wears tracksuits. If you think throwing 11.5 million at him will turn him. Then he’d never come




Leeds were 13th in the championship when he arrived. As for the number of transfer windows to build his squad. His first season consisted of 3 players from the team that finished 13th the season before. But bamford missed 6 months due to 2 knee injuries. The other 2 were Jack Harrison and Barry Douglas who’s already left.

2nd season
sold Pontus janson and sold Kemar Roofe loaned Ben white- went back to Brighton
loaned Eddie nketiah who went back to arsenal in January.
loaned Costa
Loaned messlier, who was back up keeper last season,
both were made permanent last summer on promotion

this season-
Rodrigo- injured half the season
Llorente- injured until February
Koch- injured in December & was out for 3 months
Raphinha- played consistently.

so Bielsa has taken a team of “championship plodders” to quote someone earlier to within 3 points of Everton, with 1 signing consistently playing from September to February & all 4 signings been on the pitch together for approx 1 hour this season. Leeds fans are thinking if only they’d been fit all season where could we be.


that’s not true we had the 7th highest budget in the league

all this matters not though, as from the outside I know it’s hard to understand but the man is a socialist is totally honourable if he feels he’s been let down or promises have been broken he will have no worries about walking away as he did with lazio, but if he’s happy he wouldnt walk out on Leeds, he has complete control and Leeds meet his needs if he wants alterations to the training ground it’s done if he wants light switches moved by millimetres it’s done. He buys into the city the history and restoring clubs, which if you’d have approached him before Leeds I’m sure he’d have been all over it but he’s in it with Leeds now and he won’t walk away from it.

Biesla has said a few times Everton is a jewel in the crown of English Football. If we went for him and offered him the money that other managers that have come before him have had to build a side he would be off in a shot imo whether he is motivated by money or not.