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2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

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catcherintherye said:
I hope you're right mate, but I don't think Madrid will worry about the fee if they think he's the right man, which it seems they do.
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If he was absolutely cherished like Zidane I would be a bit more worried but him and Perez didn't get on all that well first time around. 15m plus wages is an awful lot when they don't want to give Conte 20 as a free agent. They're a club that doesnt make great financial decisions but this just seems a step too far for a manager that's just lead a team in England to tenth.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Why though? He hasn't taken us to a cup final or punched us above our weight and had us qualify for europe/ Champions League he's not even got us set up in an effective system playing decent or even comitted football we look like strangers on the pitch.

Like I said if Liverpool were losing Klopp or Leicester Rodgers I could understand their fans flapping but Carlo has done nothing here. Granted he could do something but like the saying goes if my aunty had testicles...

Again I hope he stays like he deserves atleast next season to see if he can push us on but I've seen nothing from us these past 18 months that makes me worry that losing him would be the end for EFC and we no longer will be winning titles and playing European football every season.
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Because we will have wasted another 18 months with ANOTHER manager's players creating a Frankenstein's monster of a squad that, let's face it, will take us even longer to clear. If you think Carlo hasn't set us up in an effective system, why would another manager do better with an extra manager's players added to the unholy brew that is our squad?

I'm not worried about us no longer winning titles, etc. We haven't done that in over 30 years. I'd be more concerned that we could spiral into a relegation battle with some of the preposterous charlatans that are now being proposed for any putative vacancy. Without Ancelotti's pulling power, I think more or less any replacement will have his work cut out to attract the talent we need - and that's on top of the difficulties of managing a squad put together by six previous incumbents.

If Carlo has achieved anything at Everton, it's providing a sense that we might actually be able to attract a better quality of player. The acquisition of James is more symbolic than practical, and it is this symbolism that engenders a fragment of hope in some of us. If I can accept Everton never winning anything again, I cannot accept Everton no longer having any good players to admire. If Carlo goes, I feel that last vestige of hope or stardust disappears.

Welcome back David Moyes!
 

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allen said:
I think Carlo’s a bit fed up of being chewed up and spat out by clubs. I think that’s why he came to us. Real would do it to him again in a heartbeat.

I don’t think there’s anything in this, except maybe an improved contract with Everton, or a bit of extra leverage on transfers.
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Perhaps but it does seem he regrets not winning La Liga to complete the box set. I imagine this is an everyone wins story, Real pressure the likes of Conte to lower their numbers and Ancelotti is happy to be linked to pressure the board into spending like you say.
 

BlueToff said:
Yeah fair enough. Though an investor is ultimately going to expect money back on their investment too.

I'm not being doom and gloom, just being realistic. I reckon we have circa £40/50m to spend as it is without breaching any rules.

We will spend more than that - but our goal should be spending smartly, not spending big - but most of that will come through sales. If we can get that investment in then it may free us up to spend a bit more but not sure it would ease any FFP pressure as the point of the system is to stop stuff like that. So the only thing that will help FFP would be sales at this point really.

Kean, Iwobi, Bernard, possibly one of the CBs if needed, Gomes, Delph.

They need to be moved on and we need to get that money into the coffers.
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Yes all very fair. I mean I'll be honest and say I don't think Usmanov and/or Moshiri run the club like guys who want a short-medium term return any time soon. They run it a bit like a charity.

I agree with you with selling players, but I think we have to be realistic at what we can bring in for those players too.
Kean- Granted could get close to 40m for him
Iwobi- You might get 10m for him, but have to subsidise his wages for 3 years which will take up most of that fee
Bernard- Might get 5m but again people will want that to subsidise his wages
Gomes- On 120k per/w. Would get (at best) half of that in Spain. So thats 3m per annum for (I believe) 3 more years. I'm not sure anyone would pay more than 10m for him either, so again, all the fee would go on subsidising his wages.
Delph- Same story again. We will do well to get a fee that would cover his wages for the final year.
CB's- Apparently Newcastle were willing to pay £4million for Holgate last year. Lets assume that still stands, would we take that?

So from the list above, outside of Kean you are basically making 0 money and leaving a hole in the squad. At times last season we had a bench with no senior players. Losing 4-5 players on top would make things really difficult.

So from those 5 players,
 
catcherintherye said:
But what he has done is improve the underlying performance. I will keep saying it, but we were 18th under the previous manager and running to about 50 points a season. He has improved that ratio to around the 58 points a season mark. It doesn't sound a lot, but it's a 20% improvement.

On a practical level, we are in a much better position now to recruit a new manager now than we were when he arrived. We can probably be a bit more ambitious, and perhaps to take certain risks, as we are consolidated as a team who will not be near the relegation zone (we got nearly twice as many points required to survive).

This will sound harsh, and I don't mean it to be, but nobody is going to look at a manager who has been with the club 1 season and hold it against him that he hasn't won a trophy for a club who've gone over 20 years without winning one.
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Interesting analysis Catcher. If Carlo walked out on us who do you think we would go for?
 

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