2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[miami]

The one with the 4th highest goals scored and despite conceded the most goals from open play, still haven't been on the receiving end of 4 goal hammerings ala Leeds.

If the likes of Leeds or Southampton finish above us this season, I'll hold my hands up. We've been in worse states and finished comfortably top 8/9 so the chances of that happening are slim.

But by all means, stick with the Bielsa myth. The guy who's won zero major trophies and the biggest club he's ever managed is Lazio for 12months. You could even say Leeds is the biggest club he's managed.

I'm not buying into any myth. I'm asking a straight question, where I rely on my eyes and not stats. Which team looked better drilled, better prepared, passed better, passed quicker, looked fitter, looked faster, created more chances during open play and looked like the team that was going to win the game from the 1st minute? If you answer everton to that then you are obviously just burying your head in the sand.

We aren't a better footballing side than Leeds. We might win ugly more times than Leeds. If you were to ask me now who is going to finish higher in the league I'd say Leeds all day long. And there's no way we're finishing above Southampton. If we finish above those 2 I'll hold my hands up. What I'm saying is that the brand of football Leeds and Southampton are playing will more often than not garner more wins than losses, whilst ours will deliver 12th to 18th league position if we're lucky. Bottom line, our players are too slow, aren't slick enough going forward and don't look well drilled in the opposition half. It looks like they've been told to play together for the first time. It's making me wonder what is happening at finch farm and whether the carlo thing is a myth and that he's been lucky with the quality in the squads of players he's coached. I don't know, cos I don't know what goes on at finch farm. We can all only speculate.

 

[Lowste]

They’re likely thinking the same about playing us

If honest that’s what I a thinking
Always a great team Everton to play when you are desperate for a win

 

[matty1878]

Lets sack him and start again. He hasnt delivered in 1 year.
The pissy knickered brigade demand action.

lol

 

[matty1878]

I'm not buying into any myth. I'm asking a straight question, where I rely on my eyes and not stats. Which team looked better drilled, better prepared, passed better, passed quicker, looked fitter, looked faster, created more chances during open play and looked like the team that was going to win the game from the 1st minute? If you answer everton to that then you are obviously just burying your head in the sand.

We aren't a better footballing side than Leeds. We might win ugly more times than Leeds. If you were to ask me now who is going to finish higher in the league I'd say Leeds all day long. And there's no way we're finishing above Southampton. If we finish above those 2 I'll hold my hands up. What I'm saying is that the brand of football Leeds and Southampton are playing will more often than not garner more wins than losses, whilst ours will deliver 12th to 18th league position if we're lucky. Bottom line, our players are too slow, aren't slick enough going forward and don't look well drilled in the opposition half. It looks like they've been told to play together for the first time. It's making me wonder what is happening at finch farm and whether the carlo thing is a myth and that he's been lucky with the quality in the squads of players he's coached. I don't know, cos I don't know what goes on at finch farm. We can all only speculate.

LOL

 

[Egil Olsen]

I think Ancelotti does need a bit of scrutiny. For some of his selections and not picking some younger players.

But for some perspective, Bielsa has had 2.5 years with that team, they know their jobs and are well drilled and fit a F***. But I wouid only take Phillips from their team, who missed 2 games recently and they got battered in both.

Ancelotti has had one year, which was disrupted with covid, a short pre-season, needing to bed in 4 new players. Because of injuries the team is changing every game, 2 international breaks already.

I suppose the worry is watching the fitness of that Leeds team. And some of the stories you hear about Ancelotti’s time at Bayern. It will be very interesting to see how Leeds do as the season goes on. They collapsed in the championship 2 years ago and some think covid & lockdown saved them, from it happening again, the prem is a different animal.

Ancelotti needs time and he has his own philosophy, which has worked in the past. But the squad needs improving so much it’s scary. When the top 3 aren’t at it, a bit like tonight, you change 2 on an hour. But we don’t have anybody to come on and change things, if we had a Sarr/Zaha/Bailey/Brooks/ and a striker who’s a class above tosun, things would be a lot different. And bring on another powerful midfielder to replace Doucoure, who I thought was poor tonight.

Until we get a quality squad, nothing will change, unless you have loads of luck and no injuries. Aggression, power and pace is so important in this league. Obviously technical ability is quite important, but we probably have 6/7 that fit that criteria. That’s nowhere near enough to challenge for the top places.

Leeds played with Bielsa identity from the first match. They train as they play, and they do it with intensity. He made Leeds significantly better from the first second he got there. Ancelotti is more of a pragmatist, and is much more results-focused. He has no distinct football philosophy, such as e.g. Bielsa.

Ancelotti is approaching a year in the position of manager, and it is still difficult to see how he wants the team to play. He needs better players, it is said by some, but should we buy Luke Ayling who out of 400 league games has played 391 of them in lower divisions? That is what Bielsa has to work with.

The next 7-8 matches are important. Right now we are performing as expected, when it comes to points (although the trend in recent games is worrying), but when it comes to the way we play football, we have no identity. The criticism of Ancelotti in other clubs has been just that. He has mostly performed as expected the first season, but the game has been boring and without identity. The second season, the results have not been forthcoming, and the way football is played is still without identity.

My point is that if we continue this trend for the next 7-8 games, and play football without a plan, then there is little point in having Ancelotti on the payroll. History indicates that the teams will not get better under Ancelotti as time goes on.

 

[matty1878]

i knew we should have got moysie back,maybe when west ham sack him we might be able to sort something out!

goddd

 

[kenada_blue]

Still putting faith in the dullards of last season, that’s part of his problem this season. He’s fast realising what we realised a long time ago that the players of past are simply not good enough and he’s never getting a tune out of them.

Absolutely. He's not going to change it overnight.

But he's trying different things.

 

[matty1878]

I find it amazing that the majority of fans treat ancelotti like the messiah. Noone can dispute his record in club management. But at the same time noone can say that hes ever managed a team like us and brought success.

It's all well and good when you have players like Lewandowski or zidane to bail you out when times get tough. But when your playing in a league with such tight margins it's when you need to have edges over the opposition. We certainly have the quality edge over Leeds, but their manager has them playing with more desire, better fitness and with more quality.

That has to have questions asked of ancelotti. Since the liverpool game and including that game can anyone say that we have actually deserved to win any game since it, including fulham? And all those games with the exception of man utd we have had the better players on the pitch.

Hes not working hard enough, its as simple as that. Since the good run right at the start it's been relegation form and just because ancelotti has a history doesn't mean he deserves no criticism. I've seen very little since he joined Everton to think that anything hes actually done has been 'world class management.' Saw more today in the one game I watched Leeds from Bielsa than I have in Ancelottis whole Everton reign.

But the ancelottites out there can rest easy in the knowledge that he wont be going anywhere because it will cost Everton in the region of 60 million to remove him and his coaching team and that just wont be done. We are also stuck with an ageing ineffective James on a huge wage too so doesn't the future look great at this club.

Bielsa ok mate get then aye

 

[bluenorthwarrior]

I try not to knee jerk, and whilst obviously disappointed with recent results I think today was one of those that could have been any scoreline.

What I really do miss though is pace. We seem to have been a slow and deliberate team for years now across several managers. I would love to have a team with the pace of attack (not necessarily a team full of pace merchants, there is a difference) where the ball goes from back to front via 3 or 4 passes and into the box. Leicester, RS, Leeds to a degree all do this and it is both exciting and often successful (within the limitations of the players doing it).

 

[skumar55]

Got to give Carlo time

 

[skumar55]

Pochetino was my first choice, Carlo second when we got rid of silva

 

[Egil Olsen]

Absolutely. He's not going to change it overnight.

But he's trying different things.

Why? Most managers who are called in for an interview come to the interview with analyzes of the team, what kind of players they need to make the team better, and how they specifically want to play football. They do not say, let me have a season to find a solution.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Why are people mentioning Pochettino? He could take any job he wanted. He wouldn’t have even looked at us last season. We couldn’t get better than Ancelotti when we fired Silva.

 

[GwladysBlue]

The most worrying thing is how every team we play looks way fitter than us.

Pretty obvious why the Bayern players set their own training sessions up now.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Leeds played with Bielsa identity from the first match. They train as they play, and they do it with intensity. He made Leeds significantly better from the first second he got there. Ancelotti is more of a pragmatist, and is much more results-focused. He has no distinct football philosophy, such as e.g. Bielsa.

Ancelotti is approaching a year in the position of manager, and it is still difficult to see how he wants the team to play. He needs better players, it is said by some, but should we buy Luke Ayling who out of 400 league games has played 391 of them in lower divisions? That is what Bielsa has to work with.

The next 7-8 matches are important. Right now we are performing as expected, when it comes to points (although the trend in recent games is worrying), but when it comes to the way we play football, we have no identity. The criticism of Ancelotti in other clubs has been just that. He has mostly performed as expected the first season, but the game has been boring and without identity. The second season, the results have not been forthcoming, and the way football is played is still without identity.

My point is that if we continue this trend for the next 7-8 games, and play football without a plan, then there is little point in having Ancelotti on the payroll. History indicates that the teams will not get better under Ancelotti as time goes on.

You obviously know a
Lot more about Ancelotti than me and I cant tell if he’s got worse after his first year at previous clubs, but I’m sure some on here will know.
But like some have pointed out you can’t compare to two when it’s comes to clubs managed and success.

Also the championship is a
Much easier league than the prem, and
Leeds fell off a cliff in his first season missing out on promotion.

again I don’t know this a 100% only what I’ve heard/read but Weren’t we like 4th in points only behind Liverpool, city & Utd after about 30 games into his reign? Obviously that’s probably changed because of the last 4/5 games.