Mikey is bleeding out here. Someone please finish him off.
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2018/19 Cenk Tosun
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...so are othe PL teams. They love that we'll fail to reinforce.
What has Siguurdson playing on the left or Martina playing left back got to do with Tosun deserving to start?
I find it hard to believe anyone could think he's played well enough to deserve regular game time.
He never said that.
He said if we let two strikers go we could possibly end up havin to play some one who is not a striker a striker.
Once again playing players out of position
Ah right fair enough @Mikey_Fitzgerald
I had missed that bit.
It's not ideal but neither Niasse or Tosun were contributing. Our best two players in the centre forward position are Richarlison and DCL, regardless of whether you think it's their prime position.
I'd rather we wait till the summer and sign the right forward rather than going for another short term fix. Signing Tosun last January made life very tough for Silva and Brands last summer. He's clearly not who they want. But they couldn't bin him off after 4 months.
This season is basically a write off bar the FA Cup. I'm not sure there is any benefit in keeping a poor player just to be third choice. If we get injuries then we need to find alternative ways to play or blood a kid. It's not risky. We are in a position to do that. We are doing nothing in the league whatsoever and are slap bang in lower midtable safety.
ToffeeLee1878
Player Valuation: £8m
I would be more worried if Senior Brandalf thought Niasse and Tosun were worth keeping ,nothing strikers and a painful lesson in god awful recruitment,I have every faith Marcel will find significant upgrades
AsiaAsia82
Player Valuation: £35m
Who was it who bought Niasse again?
Only 3 points off 7th.
Which would probably mean europa. If that's what's wanted.
A striker could make the difference between 3 draws and 3 wins.
But id only try get one on loan if the other 2 leave
Because that's my whole argument FFS
Firstly, I don't think Tosun is anywhere near as bad as everyone else does. He showed in that first season that he can score goals in this league and I reckon he'll do it again if he gets the chance at another club
Secondly, I believe it's preferable to play him, even if his form isn't currently great, over someone who isn't a striker because at least he actually is a striker. Martina and Sigurdsson are valid to the discussion because they were players who played a specific position (right back and number 10) who were shoehorned into another position they weren't suited to (left back and wing) and in turn played poorly because that wasn't their position
Thirdly, if he goes and we sign another striker to replace him, fine. So long as we have cover then I'm happy. Right now we have two actual strikers, DLC and Tosun, with other players who can play that position but it's not their usual role, Richarlison and Walcott
I personally think it would be wrong to go the rest of the season with just ONE striker, because if DCL gets hurt or suspended, we'll be forced to play round pegs in square holes, like we did with Martina and Sigurdsson. We've seen that this doesn't work, so it'd be a bad idea for the club to do it IMO
That's all I'm saying.
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It's just football chat mate.
Depth is a good thing. Our squad depth is awful. We have such little quality.
But when the players who are your back ups contribute very little when they get a chance, then it's debateable whether they are worth keeping.
Given how many poor players we still have, or who will be returning from loan in June, it's going to be a number of seasons before we have anything like a good enough squad to compete. We are short at least one player in every position. We can't get these players until we get rid of a lot of players first too. Good luck Marcel. You're going to need it.
I would play Theo up front move Richalison back to the left and Lookman on the right. Glyfi sat behind with either Gana and either Gomes or Bernard.If it came to us not selling or buying another striker.That's just me though.
toffee-L
Player Valuation: £20m
I think there's a player in Cenk but we certainly won't miss him if he goes, the only chance he'd ever have of becoming favoured here again is with a change of manager which doesn't look likely. He'll never be able to perform properly in a Marco Silva team, and a Marco Silva team will never be at its best with him leading the line, so an all around match made in hell really.
I bear Cenk no ill will, he joined an absolute shambles of a club and was recruited by a manager and DoF who would be out of the door within 6 months of him arriving. Good luck to him wherever he ends up.
As for the question of his and Niasse's replacement, I think we'll look to loan someone in, obviously that discounts Michy, but I'd prefer to wait until the summer. Cenk is actually the perfect example of a January striker panic buy. We need to stop bleeding money on short term players who don't fit in to our long term vision. There is enough goals in DcL, Richarlison, Walcott and Sigurdsson to keep us going until the end of the season provided we can get our performance levels back up to a reasonable standard.
I bear Cenk no ill will, he joined an absolute shambles of a club and was recruited by a manager and DoF who would be out of the door within 6 months of him arriving. Good luck to him wherever he ends up.
As for the question of his and Niasse's replacement, I think we'll look to loan someone in, obviously that discounts Michy, but I'd prefer to wait until the summer. Cenk is actually the perfect example of a January striker panic buy. We need to stop bleeding money on short term players who don't fit in to our long term vision. There is enough goals in DcL, Richarlison, Walcott and Sigurdsson to keep us going until the end of the season provided we can get our performance levels back up to a reasonable standard.
We have 3 actual strikers at the club with 2 not even finding a spot on the bench.
One has gone and the next one won’t be missed.
One has gone and the next one won’t be missed.
If the right striker is available then of course we should do it. I'm just concerned we will panic buy someone who is not the right fit and we'll still be in the same position this time next year.
A loan would be fine, but good strikers generally aren't available in January on loan. It would be great if something came up and we had that extra option. But I just don't think it's likely. We've just got to hope we can get through Saturday, get a good draw, and turn up on the day in the cup. It's not that we aren't capable of good results. It's the fact we will be good one week and then terrible the 2 weeks following.
toffee-L
Player Valuation: £20m
Definitely agree with this. As for loaning a striker in the January window, they often don't even need to be great players. Sometimes a fairly average striker can come in mid-season and do a decent job because the league's defenders don't know anything about them and they can get goals due to the fact they're unknown quantities rather than that they're elite strikers. Jelavic is a good example of this, he turned out to be a very poor player but defences didn't know how to mark him when he first arrived at us, and he could finish.
I think a stop gap loan like this would be perfect for us right now, we stand a much better chance of acquiring a high quality striker on a permanent deal in the summer so no point risking another Tosun situation this window imo.
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