Champions League revamp

[NewRadical]

Chelsea and Man City were probably only invited as afterthoughts.

Hope the remaining sides try to keep this ESL going. Don't want them in our league. It'd be a springtime for football if they went bust.

 

[Vax]

Hence why im starting to change my opinion on Perez and this Super League Very quickly.

Maybe they aint the bad guys after all? They are self serving scum but are they any more self serving than having to put up with Sky/UEFA and their elite club love in?

IMO everyone sucks in this story.

 

[Wat Tyler]

Carragher trying to separate the clubs from their owners.

They don’t do that on transfer deadline day when they’re lauding how much money those clubs have spent, bankrolled by those owners.

A club is everyone, from the owner to the academy players. They should be punished.

Sorry mate but no, boxhead is wrong, if Everton went into administration and were deducted points would he say that is not fair cos the fans done nothing? Doesn’t work like that, all clubs signed up to the rules and the six have broke them


But i will call it now: NOTHING will happen to the teams

 

[catcherintherye]

Doubt the penalties would be enforceable - yes, they are contracts but any trial would require the details of everything that went on to set it up come out.

If they are going to keep it going, revealing that would do the remarkable thing of further trashing this already trashed brand. If its just Chelsea and City (or just City) who leave, they'll probably wear it in order to keep it going and hope they want to join later.

I think when you act as they do, anything is possible. They could easily say, after resignation there is a 5 year waiting period to be validated. Very easy to do. I don't think they will.

I don't think it's cut and dried either way on whether some clubs continue. But lets see. They are far more committed to the project.

 

[number4.]

This would be it. Easy to boot them out. They'd go bust. Pretty ambivalent on Spurs/Arsenal, but in honesty happy to see them go and bankrupt themselves too.

If they plough on now - they PL can through the absolute book at them. I half joked that City may have jumped off the cliff with them before pulling out their parachute & while @PaulPowersTash didnt see it, I'm beginning to wonder how far down the river these two, barca & real might actually.

I think it is far more likely they roll in & bail as well now, but if they double down now, they should be chucked out tomorrow. If they hold hand up as Man City have, I dont envisage major punishments being thrown about

 

[arch stanton]

Sky in full on defence of RS mode now.

Sickening to listen to, don't punish them, you'd be punishing the fans, Koff Souness, own your club's shame for once

 

[Dublin blue 75]

Carragher and Souness have basically turned this into 'Lets get FSG out' campaign

Tramps

 

[Martin Alvito]

I also wonder if the sustainability of their vast player wage bills has spurred this on and what the repercussions will be on them if it doesn't go through.

It almost certainly has, and they've strongly implied it.

I've said this before multiple times - they thought that the boom times of the last decade would go on forever. The whole industry shaped itself around it - third parties popping up offering the cash up front for players in transfer dealings in return for the installment payments that would otherwise be paid, the leveraging to keep up with the Joneses that they were sure they could stay in front of with year-over-year revenue increases, and what not.

Then COVID happened, and suddenly the big boys have a lot of debt and are bleeding red ink, other than the Bavarians. That doesn't much matter to the state-backed (or, in Chelsea's case, arguably state-assisted) clubs, but it's a problem for the rest of them who would have to stump up from their personal fortunes to make good on cashflow.

Your guess is as good as mine as to the implications since all the personal valuation stuff is guesswork by Forbes, and you can see what a bang-up job they did with respect to Trump on that. If I were guessing, I'd say that Kroenke, the Spaniards and the Italians have real problems requiring real attention. I'd guess that the Glazers and FSG could make good but don't want to, and that Abramovich, City and Spurs just wanted to make sure that they were actually playing in Europe's top competition because all three know that there is no love lost between their clubs and the traditional powers in England.

 

[Blueclouds]

Carragher and Souness have basically turned this into 'Lets get FSG out' campaign

Haha brill, this is perfect.

 

[tsubaki]

United, the RS and Spurs are up to their oxters in debt. They desperately need this. It is literally this or bust. Arsenal I don’t get, maybe their owner as corresponding pressing debts pending somewhere else. City and Chelsea just don’t need the hassle. It’s the first four that are most interesting and will be least reluctant to back out.

Arsenal aren't in as much debt (though its still hundreds of millions), but their problem is they are a couple of hundred million off challenging for the top four properly. Kroenke isn't going to put that in.

 

[Tubey]

United, the RS and Spurs are up to their oxters in debt. They desperately need this. It is literally this or bust. Arsenal I don’t get, maybe their owner as corresponding pressing debts pending somewhere else. City and Chelsea just don’t need the hassle. It’s the first four that are most interesting and will be least reluctant to back out.

No its not... That's the narrative they're trying to spin, but all they do is reduce costs a bit and still be richer and more asset rich than every other club in the league by a massive margin.

They're not even close to going bust.

 

[argietoffee]

Forgive me for stating the obvious but don't our lovable neighbours have 'previous' for killing off European football in England?

Are you trying to imply that the giant wall built to protect the Super League clubs has been pushed right over?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

IMO everyone sucks in this story.

Sky/BT are literally LFC TV yet they paint themselves as defenders against the Evil Elite Clubs.

Laughable I would love Perez to call them out on the hypocrisy.

 

[number4.]

I tell you what mate, that Perez speech is going to be fascinating. I reckon this could get very messy amongst those 12 clubs. I really hope they haven't gone very far with partner orgs. You don't get to walk away from these people with no consequences.

he has bailed on it at the last minute. I suspect he is intention was "show goes on & we are fully commited", but that it probably gone now.

 

[number4.]

If they plough on now - they PL can through the absolute book at them. I half joked that City may have jumped off the cliff with them before pulling out their parachute & while @PaulPowersTash didnt see it, I'm beginning to wonder how far down the river these two, barca & real might actually.

I think it is far more likely they roll in & bail as well now, but if they double down now, they should be chucked out tomorrow. If they hold hand up as Man City have, I dont envisage major punishments being thrown about

*throw sorry