Champions League revamp

[Hangleton]

If there was a long enough CL ban put in place from next season - with loss of revenues for the clubs affected - I expect there would be a shift of players towards the other teams who took their place in the competition. This would mean the non-legacy fans could more easily be sold the “new product” - they would still get to see their favourite players - in an exciting new shirt too! Like discovering football all over again.

 

[mightymoyes]

Check out the bloody prototype yank on that link:


“As a North American football fan and therefore removed from the understandable emotions linked to the ESL,” writes Michael Walsh, “I just wanted to share a point that I think is being missed. I do not support the ESL and I believe that participation in any European competition needs to be based on qualification in a domestic league. However, the ESL concept does (did?) address an issue I have which is that there are not enough meaningful games between the biggest clubs in Europe. Given the current Champions League format, you can go years without seeing a matchup between certain clubs. As an example, I believe Manchester United and Real Madrid have only been paired twice in the last 20 years, granted MU has not qualified every year.

As someone who is a fan of football as opposed to a supporter specific club, I want to see as many matches as possible between the biggest clubs in England, Spain, Italy, and Germany. I realise that UEFA’s proposed revamp of the Champions League for 2024 might help address this slightly but I am not sure it goes far enough.”

hes obviously confused by the difference between biggest and best

 

[trueblue84]

Check out the bloody prototype yank on that link:


“As a North American football fan and therefore removed from the understandable emotions linked to the ESL,” writes Michael Walsh, “I just wanted to share a point that I think is being missed. I do not support the ESL and I believe that participation in any European competition needs to be based on qualification in a domestic league. However, the ESL concept does (did?) address an issue I have which is that there are not enough meaningful games between the biggest clubs in Europe. Given the current Champions League format, you can go years without seeing a matchup between certain clubs. As an example, I believe Manchester United and Real Madrid have only been paired twice in the last 20 years, granted MU has not qualified every year.

As someone who is a fan of football as opposed to a supporter specific club, I want to see as many matches as possible between the biggest clubs in England, Spain, Italy, and Germany. I realise that UEFA’s proposed revamp of the Champions League for 2024 might help address this slightly but I am not sure it goes far enough.”

Also removed from the understanding of what sport is.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

A European ban for Arsenal is absolutely pointless.

It is. As it is for Spurs.
But a 1 year ban for the teams who have qualified this season and the 1 year
ban for the others commences when they do achieve qualification.
So they would have to qualify 2 years in a row to play in it.

 

[tsubaki]

Such a fascinating bloke him

 

[allen]

Such a fascinating bloke him

He has real charisma. I'd happily talk to him about anything.

 

[Brisan123]

They might see what falls, whatever, hope there is real change afoot. Or else this happens again, having learnt lesson in the importance of lobbying and PR, will be much more slick dissection, I'm sure Greedy 6 have 55 Tufton street on google maps.

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What a disgrace. Certain clubs being given automatic entry to the CL every season, with more games to be played.

The implications for the PL and Everton in particular are massively damaging. The PL itself will be downgraded with the permanent CL clubs playing weakened sides, even more of the young talent going to these clubs, Sky TV money being diverted to the CL etc. For Everton, any really talented youngster will 'do a Rooney' and quickly disappear to a permanent CL club and the chances of getting in a top European player will be much reduced. Does Moshiri's continued investment now appear less certain?

The actions of the richest PL clubs in what is to happen has been a disgrace, though totally in character, in particular in pressing for their annual automatic inclusion. The true European giants (RM, Barcelona, Bayern Munich etc) get entry every season by virtue of their being unchallenged in their domestic leagues, so automatic inclusion is not a big bonus for them. The real bonus is for the top PL clubs, since qualification under current rules can never be certain. So doubtless we can assume that they would have been right behind this particular proposal, none more so than our friends across the park who will have completed their mission to place their club into a different echelon of football from ourselves and further widen the gap between them and us. The inevitable intensified media interest and financial support in the revised CL status of the new competition, and particularly those clubs to be permanently involved, will make it even more difficult for Everton to win the hearts and minds of future generations of support. Depressing.

At this stage I think @GrandOldTeam should compose a letter stating our views and send it to the board
Then they should contact the main forums of the other 14 clubs and ask them to do the same
Ask the boards to read out all 14 letters at the next PL meeting so all clubs know how the fans feel and we are all united in this
Minimum punishments like points deductions and European and transfer bans also demanded
Fines imposed and money given to lower league teams to help them recover COVID losses
Clubs need to know our feelings
I would say some of the Sly Six ( scum excepted ) fans would have no problems with their clubs owners being punished for their actions
If they get away Scot free they will be back within 2 years
Perez has said the ESL will still go ahead
This idea will not go away unless they feel our wrath now

 

[GotTheBlues]

The comments about Man U not playing Real Madrid (or similar) often enough is laughable - they rig the competition that way by seeding it - imagine the CL if it was all fair - no-one gets seeded - immediately more exciting in some groups and offers fairytale stories for teams who chance themselves into easier groups - can’t do that though, can’t risk the big teams falling at the first hurdle and therefore.... Dull competition, everyone talking about sporting merit whilst not really meaning it, still had to be stacked in favour of the big teams.

 

[Papa Shango]

The trouble with penalising the six to the point that they won't be able to win trophies for some time is that the clubs who do win them will have
an asterisk against their name.

Ah well, I can live with that.

On a more serious note, I don't want to see the demise of clubs like Real and Barca if the financial impact and any penalties incurred of this debacle brought
this about.

They could just sell their superstars and bring in some random Spanish league jobbers to play alongside their talented youth players and cut their cloth accordingly pretty much like every other club has to do.

These are no better than the banks asking to be bailed out.

 

[tsubaki]

The comments about Man U not playing Real Madrid (or similar) often enough is laughable - they rig the competition that way by seeding it - imagine the CL if it was all fair - no-one gets seeded - immediately more exciting in some groups and offers fairytale stories for teams who chance themselves into easier groups - can’t do that though, can’t risk the big teams falling at the first hurdle and therefore.... Dull competition, everyone talking about sporting merit whilst not really meaning it, still had to be stacked in favour of the big teams.

imagine a non-seeded old style European Cup

 

[Papa Shango]

Check out the bloody prototype yank on that link:


“As a North American football fan and therefore removed from the understandable emotions linked to the ESL,” writes Michael Walsh, “I just wanted to share a point that I think is being missed. I do not support the ESL and I believe that participation in any European competition needs to be based on qualification in a domestic league. However, the ESL concept does (did?) address an issue I have which is that there are not enough meaningful games between the biggest clubs in Europe. Given the current Champions League format, you can go years without seeing a matchup between certain clubs. As an example, I believe Manchester United and Real Madrid have only been paired twice in the last 20 years, granted MU has not qualified every year.

As someone who is a fan of football as opposed to a supporter specific club, I want to see as many matches as possible between the biggest clubs in England, Spain, Italy, and Germany. I realise that UEFA’s proposed revamp of the Champions League for 2024 might help address this slightly but I am not sure it goes far enough.”

I hate people like this.

He is commenting on something that does not affect him in any way shape or form. Its like me moaning about the food being served in Cowboys Stadium even though I have never been and never plan to. What's it got to do with me and why would I think that my opinion on this should be taken into account?

 

[Papa Shango]

imagine a non-seeded old style European Cup

I miss a good Eastern European powerhouse.

 

[Lapeno77]

I agree, there would be an increase in danger but equally winning the league would also increase. Liverpool hav 1 titke in 30 years, Utd not since 2013. They cant compete with City financially. If Guardiola fancies it, theyve got a decade of absolute dominance ahead.
Liverpool and Utd, if they want success, are going to need others to back them up.
FFP and similarly percentage wage caps dont work. We object to them because its a means of maintaining status quo.

 

[Gilbert..]

I hate people like this.

He is commenting on something that does not affect him in any way shape or form. Its like me moaning about the food being served in Cowboys Stadium even though I have never been and never plan to. What's it got to do with me and why would I think that my opinion on this should be taken into account?

Thats their market. Its what the whole thing was about. China to. And all the comments i saw pro super league came from america and africa. Subcriptions and PPV.
I would have gave it 2 seasons at most as it would have been so boring.

 

[degsy]

from todays Football 365 mediawatch:



The parable of Klopp
In the actual Daily Mirror, David Maddock is busy re-writing history in his piece about JW Henry, Liverpool and most importantly Jurgen Klopp.

We are promised the story about ‘HOW KLOPP & HIS TEAM DESTROYED EURO PLAN’ as if it really wasn’t anything to do with the fans or the media at all. And absolutely nothing to do with decisions at Chelsea and Manchester City forcing a climbdown across the board. It was all destroyed by Jurgen Klopp and his players. The whole shebang.


‘Courageously spoke out’? We presume that Maddock is writing about a private discussion here because Klopp did not ‘courageously’ do anything on Monday night on Sky Sports. He merely said that his opinion on the subject had not changed and then later – in a press conference – he said: “No, I do not think it is a great idea.”

And then he argued with Gary Neville and had a pop at Leeds United for their shirts. There was far more ire in those comments than in any reaction to his club’s Super League plans.


Really? What was it about these words…


…that had Henry running scared? Klopp was diplomatic on Monday night; he absolutely did not publicly come out fighting against the Super League, as some would now have you believe.


‘Speak out passionately’? This is just weird now. That’s simply not what happened.

If ‘Klopp’s anger exploded’ (exploded!), then he kept it really well hidden on Monday night.


By saying “I don’t think I am let down by FSG”? That must have taken some real nerve; that will have got them rattled.

We are then told that ‘others followed’. Well, what choice did they have? He is the messiah, after all.


Frankly, that is an insult to Guardiola, who genuinely did speak passionately, saying: “It is not a sport if success is guaranteed or if it doesn’t matter when you lose. I have said many times I want a successful Premier League, not just one team at the top.”

The idea that he was somehow emboldened by Klopp ‘passionately’ saying “no, I do not think it is a great idea” is frankly ludicrous.

Always has to be about them doesn't it.