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Champions League revamp

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catcherintherye said:
I'm really not sure about this. I think there are huge number of unknowns in this. What I will say, is the international fans generally have two characteristics;
1) They are far more influenced by the media rubbish than domestic supporters
2) They are far more fickle and changeable than the domestic supporters.

If a new team was at the top, and the media gave them a big push there is no reason why a similar following.

There's no doubt there would be a short term hit, but I'm afraid I'm very sceptical that say Leeds, or Aston Villa couldn't match the international support base of say a Tottenham over the medium term.
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This is exactly right. These 'non-legacy' fans support who they are told to support by popular culture, essentially.
 
catcherintherye said:
Again did it really damage Celtic though? They won 9 leagues in a row and maximised profits.

And is there any real evidence that the Scottish league's decline went any quicker without Rangers? Or has reversed with Rangers back?

The issue Scotland has, is inequality. You have 2 teams who can in everything. Thats sort of the lesson to be learned.
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They won league which is obviously great for them, but at the trade off was they lost all competitiveness in Europe.

Why? Their revenue fell really really dramatically without Rangers, TV rights, Crowds and sponsorship all down.
 
catcherintherye said:
I'm really not sure about this. I think there are huge number of unknowns in this. What I will say, is the international fans generally have two characteristics;
1) They are far more influenced by the media rubbish than domestic supporters
2) They are far more fickle and changeable than the domestic supporters.

If a new team was at the top, and the media gave them a big push there is no reason why a similar following.

There's no doubt there would be a short term hit, but I'm afraid I'm very sceptical that say Leeds, or Aston Villa couldn't match the international support base of say a Tottenham over the medium term.
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If you take Man United / City & Liverpool out of the PL the TV rights plummet. They might recover in the long term, but the immediate negotiations (underway at the mo) would suffer hugely. You cannot sell Burnley V Fulham to China / USA etc. In fact the PPV model for extra games showed you couldnt even sell it in the UK, it had less than 1000 subscriptions.

it could catch back up in the long term for sure, but go back to the Karen Brady test, she is not going to vote down revenue tomorrow, in exchange for a long term view
 

number4. said:
They won league which is obviously great for them, but at the trade off was they lost all competitiveness in Europe.

Why? Their revenue fell really really dramatically without Rangers, TV rights, Crowds and sponsorship all down.
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I mean did performance or commcerial performance fall at any quicker rate than it has been over the last 30 years?
 
Think I owe apologies to some people on here, completely dismissed they the fan bases had became self entitled, and don’t get me wrong there were still fans across all teams who didn’t want this.

But Christ, so many fans are peddling the “jealousy” card at us, and the “it was in best interests” line.... Christ almighty.
As time goes in, only more of these fans are going to come about, aren’t they?
 
number4. said:
That was in response to @Lapeno77 suggesting you have a completely flat wage cap accross the PL - as a % of turnover, I think there is real case for it, but that is effectively FFP with a different name
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Of course. I mean it is FFP isn't it.

I think the only way you could have a wage cap is if it was more simple. Thats one of the failures of FFP, it was far too complex. A horse drawn by committee.

If you have a wage cap, there need to be an absolute number and it should apply to players and clubs. I am flabbergasted football has never done it.
 

number4. said:
If you take Man United / City & Liverpool out of the PL the TV rights plummet. They might recover in the long term, but the immediate negotiations (underway at the mo) would suffer hugely. You cannot sell Burnley V Fulham to China / USA etc. In fact the PPV model for extra games showed you couldnt even sell it in the UK, it had less than 1000 subscriptions.

it could catch back up in the long term for sure, but go back to the Karen Brady test, she is not going to vote down revenue tomorrow, in exchange for a long term view
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I would probably concede United and Liverpool would see a short term hit. But thats all for me. I'm sorry but as I stated above, we would not miss Tottenham, I'm really not bothered what anyone says. Newcastle have bigger potential commercial draw than Tottenham IMO.

I can see the Karren Brady test, but there is probably a risk we attribute a set of behaviours to her that she might not actually have. There's a short V medium term question to be discussed here, against the principled stance which is to relegate them. I don't think they will, but they probably should, and the idea football wouldn't survive in the medium/long term is wrong. It would soon regress to the mean. Thats obviously a different point than what Karren Brady will do.

The points deduction for next season makes sense. Dock 50 points and 3 will probably go down. You kind of get the best of both worlds then. You minimise the damage but also let people know there is a consequence.

It is worth stating in all of this, that the TV will be declining, and a big factor in this is going to be the behaviour of the top 6, and essentially execs no longer being able to trust them. I do think that is going to annoy your Karren Brady's an awful lot. I also think broadcasters are likely to really tighten up terms with the next deal, and probably want huge compensatory clauses put in if clubs essentially break the terms of the agreement. So all round things are going to get very very interesting.
 
allen said:
They do that because they are successful. If a new set of clubs replaced their success, the revenue would follow them instead.
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It may well do down the road in 10 to 15 years, but if the 6 were gone tomorrow, the TV rights which are being negotiated right now fall off a cliff.
 
GwladysBlue said:


BAN THEM
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Wouldnt hold your breathe on anything more than a fine and squad reduction in next seasons CL mate.

Hell would freeze over before they were given even a one year suspension from European Competition.

The Premier League really need to grow some balls and issue a points deduction for every top 6 side either for this or next season.
 

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