Champions League revamp

[blulouie]

Paul Robinson on SSN

The documents they all signed is 170 pages long !!!!!

What a load of crap only the owners new what was going on.

Just add to that Robinson says its cost them clubs £ 8-9 million up to now

 

[Jeff Jones]

This will drag on for weeks

Contracts and fiancial dealongs with JP Morgan will be hard to escape from

Hope so.

 

[Bluestar]

Language like that from him actually makes the prospect easier to fight. It's less of a mirage, less yesterday's news if the guy running the mad show says it's still a thing.

It does.
it means action still has to be taken.

 

[number4.]

TBF though that last sentence is to read entirely the wrong message from your first paragraph.

Reducing competition (and unpredictability) is what trashes revenues so increasing it will eventually improve the product and increase them.

That is just not correct though a flat competition, with drama but without the top 6 would see Global TV revenues collapse

 

[SantaClausisanEvertonian]

The balance of power in the Premier League is now firmly with 'The Honourable Fourteen'.
Let's hope they have the nous and resolve to keep it that way.
Give the Scab Six nothing; absolutely nothing. If the 14 want to push something through, all they need to do is stick together and act as one.
There has to be consequences for these greedy snivelling cryarses.

 

[number4.]

No definitely not percentages. A flat number. Ironically similar ti what the NFL use. Everybody gets the same amount to spend, with an annual variation allowance.
It would givw the 14 a better chance than what they have now.

It would also increase the volitility for relegation(Thats why it can only work in NFL), there is no way the six deserters, Everton, West-ham, LCFC, Villa, Wolves would vote for that

 

[riddick]

That Perez interview makes me feel like one of the last lines of the Two Towers.

"The battle for the super league is now over. The war for football is about to begin."

 

[mightymoyes]

from todays Football 365 mediawatch:



The parable of Klopp
In the actual Daily Mirror, David Maddock is busy re-writing history in his piece about JW Henry, Liverpool and most importantly Jurgen Klopp.

We are promised the story about ‘HOW KLOPP & HIS TEAM DESTROYED EURO PLAN’ as if it really wasn’t anything to do with the fans or the media at all. And absolutely nothing to do with decisions at Chelsea and Manchester City forcing a climbdown across the board. It was all destroyed by Jurgen Klopp and his players. The whole shebang.

‘JW Henry kept even Jurgen Klopp in the dark about Liverpool’s shameless European plans…but when the Kop boss and his team courageously spoke out…the American knew the game was up.’

‘Courageously spoke out’? We presume that Maddock is writing about a private discussion here because Klopp did not ‘courageously’ do anything on Monday night on Sky Sports. He merely said that his opinion on the subject had not changed and then later – in a press conference – he said: “No, I do not think it is a great idea.”

And then he argued with Gary Neville and had a pop at Leeds United for their shirts. There was far more ire in those comments than in any reaction to his club’s Super League plans.

‘It was when Klopp and his most senior players showed the courage to question their paymasters, and speak out quietly but firmly against the plans, that Henry began to realise his game was up.’

Really? What was it about these words…

“I don’t think I am let down by FSG. I am used to dealing with owners making decisions without me.
“I an here as a football manager. I will do that as long as people let me do that.
“I heard today that I will resign. That makes me more sticky that I will stay. I feel responsible for the team, I feel responsible for the club and the relationship we have with our fans. It is a very tough time but I will try to help to sort it somehow.”

…that had Henry running scared? Klopp was diplomatic on Monday night; he absolutely did not publicly come out fighting against the Super League, as some would now have you believe.

‘When Klopp became the first major football voice connected to the Super League plan to speak out passionately against the idea, Henry must have known he had arrived at an impossible situation.’

‘Speak out passionately’? This is just weird now. That’s simply not what happened.

If ‘Klopp’s anger exploded’ (exploded!), then he kept it really well hidden on Monday night.

‘His conviction and his past statements meant he had no choice but to speak out against his bosses.’

By saying “I don’t think I am let down by FSG”? That must have taken some real nerve; that will have got them rattled.

We are then told that ‘others followed’. Well, what choice did they have? He is the messiah, after all.

‘Pep Guardiola was equally passionate in his condemnation, meaning the two most revered, famous managers in world football didn’t want to be inside the tent.’

Frankly, that is an insult to Guardiola, who genuinely did speak passionately, saying: “It is not a sport if success is guaranteed or if it doesn’t matter when you lose. I have said many times I want a successful Premier League, not just one team at the top.”

The idea that he was somehow emboldened by Klopp ‘passionately’ saying “no, I do not think it is a great idea” is frankly ludicrous.

 

[Magus]

of course they can - but look at the damage done to Celtic by Rangers going bust. It killed the TV money and revenues of theirs as well & they have gone from a club regularly getting into Champions league groups to a club that cant get through CL or Europa qualifiers. Yes, some of that is down to mismanagement, but the majority is down to decrease competition, reduced sponsorship because of the old firm being gone and the less TV money as a % of costs

That is the risk the PL 14 will not be prepared to take even through morally it is absolutely the right thing to do

You are obviously more well versed in that side of things than myself, and I fear you will prove to be right about the 14 PL clubs. I can't help but feel that is just kicking the can down road, they have the opportunity to do something now and should grasp it with both hands while the big boys are relatively bowed.

 

[catcherintherye]

It would also increase the volitility for relegation(Thats why it can only work in NFL), there is no way the six deserters, Everton, West-ham, LCFC, Villa, Wolves would vote for that

Surely this would depend on where you pitched the level?

 

[Nymzee]

from todays Football 365 mediawatch:



The parable of Klopp
In the actual Daily Mirror, David Maddock is busy re-writing history in his piece about JW Henry, Liverpool and most importantly Jurgen Klopp.

We are promised the story about ‘HOW KLOPP & HIS TEAM DESTROYED EURO PLAN’ as if it really wasn’t anything to do with the fans or the media at all. And absolutely nothing to do with decisions at Chelsea and Manchester City forcing a climbdown across the board. It was all destroyed by Jurgen Klopp and his players. The whole shebang.


‘Courageously spoke out’? We presume that Maddock is writing about a private discussion here because Klopp did not ‘courageously’ do anything on Monday night on Sky Sports. He merely said that his opinion on the subject had not changed and then later – in a press conference – he said: “No, I do not think it is a great idea.”

And then he argued with Gary Neville and had a pop at Leeds United for their shirts. There was far more ire in those comments than in any reaction to his club’s Super League plans.


Really? What was it about these words…


…that had Henry running scared? Klopp was diplomatic on Monday night; he absolutely did not publicly come out fighting against the Super League, as some would now have you believe.


‘Speak out passionately’? This is just weird now. That’s simply not what happened.

If ‘Klopp’s anger exploded’ (exploded!), then he kept it really well hidden on Monday night.


By saying “I don’t think I am let down by FSG”? That must have taken some real nerve; that will have got them rattled.

We are then told that ‘others followed’. Well, what choice did they have? He is the messiah, after all.


Frankly, that is an insult to Guardiola, who genuinely did speak passionately, saying: “It is not a sport if success is guaranteed or if it doesn’t matter when you lose. I have said many times I want a successful Premier League, not just one team at the top.”

The idea that he was somehow emboldened by Klopp ‘passionately’ saying “no, I do not think it is a great idea” is frankly ludicrous.

I love how they forget the only reason Klopp even spoke is because they had a game. If they weren’t on that night you wouldn’t have heard a peep out of them.

 

[catcherintherye]

That is just not correct though a flat competition, with drama but without the top 6 would see Global TV revenues collapse

I'm really not sure about this. I think there are huge number of unknowns in this. What I will say, is the international fans generally have two characteristics;
1) They are far more influenced by the media rubbish than domestic supporters
2) They are far more fickle and changeable than the domestic supporters.

If a new team was at the top, and the media gave them a big push there is no reason why a similar following.

There's no doubt there would be a short term hit, but I'm afraid I'm very sceptical that say Leeds, or Aston Villa couldn't match the international support base of say a Tottenham over the medium term.

 

[riddick]

I still have no idea why a European ban for two seasons or more for these clubs would really be ostentatious. I mean they clearly don't want to play in the Champions League anymore so at that point let's have them not play in the Champions League anymore

 

[catcherintherye]

of course they can - but look at the damage done to Celtic by Rangers going bust. It killed the TV money and revenues of theirs as well & they have gone from a club regularly getting into Champions league groups to a club that cant get through CL or Europa qualifiers. Yes, some of that is down to mismanagement, but the majority is down to decrease competition, reduced sponsorship because of the old firm being gone and the less TV money as a % of costs

That is the risk the PL 14 will not be prepared to take even through morally it is absolutely the right thing to do

Again did it really damage Celtic though? They won 9 leagues in a row and maximised profits.

And is there any real evidence that the Scottish league's decline went any quicker without Rangers? Or has reversed with Rangers back?

The issue Scotland has, is inequality. You have 2 teams who can in everything. Thats sort of the lesson to be learned.

 

[number4.]

Surely this would depend on where you pitched the level?

That was in response to @Lapeno77 suggesting you have a completely flat wage cap accross the PL - as a % of turnover, I think there is real case for it, but that is effectively FFP with a different name