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Champions League revamp

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Jeff Jones said:
The trouble with penalising the six to the point that they won't be able to win trophies for some time is that the clubs who do win them will have
an asterisk against their name.

Ah well, I can live with that.

On a more serious note, I don't want to see the demise of clubs like Real and Barca if the financial impact and any penalties incurred of this debacle brought
this about.
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Barca are only in the mess that they are because of colossal incompetence, and TBF if they went through an age of austerity where they had to rely on developing their own players again they'd probably end up in a far better place than they are now.
 
Jeff Jones said:
The trouble with penalising the six to the point that they won't be able to win trophies for some time is that the clubs who do win them will have
an asterisk against their name.

Ah well, I can live with that.

On a more serious note, I don't want to see the demise of clubs like Real and Barca if the financial impact and any penalties incurred of this debacle brought
this about.
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I don't want to see their demise, but if Rangers can start again from the depths, then surely those two historic giants can.
 
Magus said:
I don't want to see their demise, but if Rangers can start again from the depths, then surely those two historic giants can.
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of course they can - but look at the damage done to Celtic by Rangers going bust. It killed the TV money and revenues of theirs as well & they have gone from a club regularly getting into Champions league groups to a club that cant get through CL or Europa qualifiers. Yes, some of that is down to mismanagement, but the majority is down to decrease competition, reduced sponsorship because of the old firm being gone and the less TV money as a % of costs

That is the risk the PL 14 will not be prepared to take even through morally it is absolutely the right thing to do
 
number4. said:
of course they can - but look at the damage done to Celtic by Rangers going bust. It killed the TV money and revenues of theirs as well & they have gone from a club regularly getting into Champions league groups to a club that cant get through CL or Europa qualifiers. Yes, some of that is down to mismanagement, but the majority is down to decrease competition, reduced sponsorship because of the old firm being gone and the less TV money as a % of costs

That is the risk the PL 14 will not be prepared to take even through morally it is absolutely the right thing to do
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TBF though that last sentence is to read entirely the wrong message from your first paragraph.

Reducing competition (and unpredictability) is what trashes revenues so increasing it will eventually improve the product and increase them.
 

number4. said:
I really struggle to see how that would work? If it was something like a wage cap as % of turnover etc; there are too many of the 14 that simple wont go for it.
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No definitely not percentages. A flat number. Ironically similar ti what the NFL use. Everybody gets the same amount to spend, with an annual variation allowance.
It would givw the 14 a better chance than what they have now.
 
number4. said:
100% agree - I think we are both aligned there are no morals in football & certainly not with the top 6 or UEFA hypocrisy.

I think they (UEFA and the obvious clubs) have played ever card they could to leverage FFP & that is dead. So as soon as they lost that battle the jump into bed with them. They are a bunch of hypocrites, everyone of them & for Man City to go to CAS while having these discussions with Real and co is just incredible when you sit back and think about it
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Yes exactly.

I mean you probably know my view on FFP, you could probably call it mixed. I have a kind of ideological dislike to people who like inflation curbing legislation but I can also see the merits of it. I can also see why people got very attached to FFP. Like many things, people painted their own feeligns and prejudices onto it, and I'm not sure it could ever really have delivered, not least for structural flaws but also because people wanted different things from it.

I can see why people got very attached to it though.

The mistake I think those top 12 clubs have made is assuming UEFA didn't try to penalise City. I've seen a few fans saying UEFA are useless "as they didn't try to ban City". It's rare you get this, but it's a fundamental misread of events. UEFA tried desperately to penalise City but lost the court case. I think this is partially with UEFA are so let down. They have been happy to work for those clubs and they've thrown them under the bus, ironically enough to then get into bed with Manchester City (and PSG who we know they invited).

As for the leverage gone, it's this 100%. I know there's talk of punishments, fines, deductions and bans (and I hope there are all of them) partially for a sense of justice, partially as a future deterrent, but I do think beyond this the real damage will be far more subtle. I doubt UEFA are going to trust them again. The Bundesliga clubs are going to now be able to wield more influence. The other 14 PL teams are now very united in terms of knowing exactly not just how greedy they are, but as you say how hypocritcal they are. That they will make this big stance on an issue but also throw all those principles away to then invite City into the League. The soft power they have had will now be greatly diminished,

I think it willlast for some time as well. There's a reason for me Woodward has gone. He just won't be able to influence things anymore, and part of them going on a journey to gain that influence will likely need to be getting different "middle managers" into the key positions.

I mean there's absolutely loads to say on this whole debacle. I mean full disclosure I thought any such project was completely inviable, but I did expect it to hold out a bit better than 2 days, and 1 protest from a couple of hundred fans from Chelsea. I thought United, Liverpool and Arsenal, who have been so dedicated to this project for so long, would at least go the Perez root and try to drag it out a bit before jumping straight off the sinking ship. I don't even think Liverpool managed to put a single post up for why they wanted it, they had Glaziers statement and the 1st you heard from Henry was it was awful. I mean it's laughable.

It makes no sense. You're either a complete idiot or your a lying hypocrite. And in honesty, you're not a billionaire if you are a stupid.
 
Garymc2412 said:
RM perez still saying it will return and not dead but on standby.they must all be severely punished.or it will just come back.relegate them all now.they are a disgrace.
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I think that is the only option.
Money is the only language they understand.
Therefore significant fines and a 1 year ban from the CL
to deprive them of the revenue and cash they so desperately crave.
Otherwise it will be just 'watch this space' for another half baked plan in
12 or 18 months time.
 

number4. said:
I really struggle to see how that would work? If it was something like a wage cap as % of turnover etc; there are too many of the 14 that simple wont go for it.
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Yes. These things are often actually really hard. It is very hard to just go back in time, and in honesty most of the owners won't want to go back to the 90's where there was a lot less money.

I'm sure they will try something, but I doubt it will work. I would also say, intuitvely they will know which owners are the msot untrustworthy. Everyone can see Chelsea and City are not the power brokers in this. It's really Liverpool and United, followed by Arsenal.
 
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PaulPowersTash said:
I think that is the only option.
Money is the only language they understand.
Therefore significant fines and a 1 year ban from the CL
to deprive them of the revenue and cash they so desperately crave.
Otherwise it will be just 'watch this space' for another half baked plan in
12 or 18 months time.
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I have to say, I don't think Perez is helping them at all. The PL clubs just want this to disappear and never be spoken about again. That idiot will just put the fear of God into football and is going to make it harder for people to trust these teams again. I'm amazed nobody has told him to shut up.

If you think about it logically too, they are looking to build an explicit rival to the CL and also in essence a rival to the PL. Then you get people like Carragher bleating on about it being unfair to punish them.

It would be like saying it's unfair for Burger King to try and outdo Macdonalds as it's not Macdonals workers who have done z,y or z. It's really not the point, or how the world works.

UEFA best antidote to this, is to immediately reduce the earning potential and reach of those clubs, and build up those who they can trust, so if they look to leave, they take less people/supporters with them.

I can see a situation where a long ban comes in if he keeps going on.
 

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