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Champions League revamp

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Venger said:
Points deductions do not undermine the league

Points deductions are there to stop people undermining the integrity of the league

People undermining the integrity of the league get point deductions

Stop defending the indefensible
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Not defending anything? I want them to be punished.

Out of interest, how many points would you say the teams should be deducted? Would you take them from this season or start of next season?

I just feel punishments that hurt them financially will have a bigger impact than taking a few points away.
 
Woolverhampton_Blue said:
Points deductions undermine the integrity of our league and the achievements of any team who finish above a punished team as a result.

As much as a longer European ban would be lovely the competition does rely on those larger teams for revenue. A one year ban would just be symbolic - can’t see it happening unfortunately.

Perennial success is boring but it brings in money via TV contracts. The most insulting thing about the SL format was the closed aspect. It’s already incredibly hard to break into the top ranks - making it almost impossible would go against any sporting credibility there still is.
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How would u punish them? If they get away with it next time they won’t quit
 
TimHowardsBeardJuice said:
As I’ve said I grew up a rabid Red Sox fan, about an hour and a half from Boston. Your take on the beginning of Henry’s tenure is spot on. The Red Sox had not won a title since 1918, despite several dominant teams with all time great players, they had snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in the most cruel fashion in the most improbable ways imaginable, most often at the hands of hated rivals New York Yankees.

Goodison - Fenway is an excellent comparison and one of the attractions of Everton for me. Old, oddly shaped but because it’s built right into the fabric of the city around it, seats right on top of the action, decades of history, fans howling at the opposition players only inches away. “You’re gonna need a diaper” is how Sox legend David Ortiz describes the atmosphere at Fenway when the fans are in full voice in a big game and he’s right - just like I hear about Goodison, from you.

Henry oversaw a revamp of the park and instituted a data-driven model of player acquisition that turned Boston's fortunes around. The Red Sox won four titles, staring with 2004, their first in 86 years, where the Sox lost the first three games of the American League championship series to the Yankees and then won four straight. The only time in 101 years that a team has ever come back from 0-3 down to win a 7-game series, and against the Yanks, who had won 26 titles to our zero in those 86 years.

But it was all about maximizing the yield from an underperforming asset. Same pattern as with LFC- get them up the summit, get some trophies in the cabinet, enhance the value of the brand name to the wider world, but make lots of little decisions along the way to show contempt for the fans and their values, in the name of shaving a few pennies here and there. Most recent being to decline to offer a new deal to Mookie Betts, one of the two or three best players in baseball, and a genuinely nice guy and fan favorite. He was due a monster contract and he got one - 10 years, $365M, from the LA Dodgers. Boston declined to match it, which is defensible from an on-field competitive standpoint because few players will perform to value over such a long contract. But the Sox tweeted self-congratulations that they had stayed under the luxury tax threshold (every dollar spent on payroll over the threshold of $X million is taxed at Y % and the proceeds spread to the poorer teams, to restrain runaway spending by the rich teams). So in other words, not just because they saved money, but because they stayed a dollar under the threshold, so that their next dollar of payroll spend would not cost them a few extra cents. It wasn't about being able to divert that $365M into contracts for other exciting players who would win titles in the years to come, it was about ensuring that the team wouldn't have to pay $2M to Milwaukee and Kansas City because the $365 took them over the threshold. And this was supposedly something to celebrate! As thousands of kids cried themselves to sleep in their Mookie jerseys.

He isn't even a cackling cartoon villain with a handlebar mustache and cartoon sacks of cash with $ on them. He's not even that interesting. He's a slide rule with an alimentary canal.

Here's what Wikipedia says about Henry's futures-trading strategy, this is how he made his billions:

The firm's management methods make mechanical, non-discretionary trading decisions in response to systematic determinations of reversals in each market's direction, with the explicit intention of precluding not only human emotion but also any subjective evaluation of factors outside of price behavior (such as the so-called fundamentals), to trigger each decision to be long or short each market, or not.

You can't think of a mindset more diametrically opposed to any sports organization but especially an English football club. Not only does he not understand, not only does he not want to understand, but his mathematical model for making money is to squeeze the human emotion out. But it's so freaking dumb. The big clubs don't exist in a vacuum. The hundreds of clubs throughout the country, no matter how small, and their players, managers, coaches, fans, academies, etc., that's the lifeblood of the ecosystem. You can't maintain the value long term by ripping clubs out of that system, that's the soil they grow in.

I've really fallen in love with the English game just because of that, I watch more football now than I do the American sports I grew up with. I loved watching Marine have a go against Spurs at their ground in the FA Cup, with the houses of the supporters overlooking the pitch. I loved that Marine nearly drew first blood when they hit the crossbar early on, and that Spurs showed respect by playing first-team players. I loved that guys who had been supporting Marine for thirty years and had gone with their dad and their dad's dad were having a grand time with Spurs in town. Some of you reading this are those guys, yes? I'm sure someone reading this was there.

It was 1000x more memorable than Spurs - Milan for the fifth time in two months would be. Or, say, Jets-Bills or Colts-Jaguars, who play twice a year, every year, in the NFL, to no discernable consequence.

And I've written John Henry a letter, letting him know that this Evertonian, who went to his first Red Sox game in 1976 at the age of seven, has been to his last for as long as he owns the franchise.
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Great post
Do you think this new deal will Billy and co was sold to them because they thought the SL would be there cash cow?
 

MrGrumpy said:
The Liverpool one the worse, it almost like a someone wanting to break up. If I was a RS I’d be fuming.

“It’s not YOU it’s me” I didn’t want to hurt “YOU

there no us or we in it, it’s like he doesn’t own them
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While out with some rs mates I said the same thing to them, no us, no we, just you, your team, their response........ he was giving ownership back to the fan emphasising that they the fans own the club and more bs,I gave up at that point.
 
Nobby Nobbs said:
While out with some rs mates I said the same thing to them, no us, no we, just you, your team, their response........ he was giving ownership back to the fan emphasising that they the fans own the club and more bs,I gave up at that point.
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They believe they can remove him on a whim, they believe they removed H&G when in fact RBS called in a £350 mil loan
 

coollino said:


Here we goooo
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No wonder Boris flew off the handle. He's smart enough to know that the meeting would come out, and that there would be those that would think he was in on it.

So he had no choice. The only way to silence most of the whispers was to come out guns blazing. He had to prove, through his actions, that he was just as blindsided and angry as everyone else. He had to find a way to shut it down.

I'm floored that Woodward was this stupid, though everything we saw over the last decade probably means I shouldn't be. Find a pretext to move the meeting. Have an urgent meeting with a signing you have no intention of making if you have to. You can't permit even the faintest whiff of the PM having been in on it with you from the start, or he will have no choice but to bury you.

It confirms what was obvious enough - they really did think that the fans, and by implication the government, would roll over and play dead.
 
Bluestar said:
The ESL is not finished and if they are pushed too hard they may leave, taking a large part of tho PL sparkle with them.

I want something to be done, but I don’t want to do anyjtingbtgat ultimately harms ourselves.

We need legislation to stop it, then punish away.
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It's finished for any prem clubs. No club will take on the government, as has been shown
 
Martin Alvito said:
No wonder Boris flew off the handle. He's smart enough to know that the meeting would come out, and that there would be those that would think he was in on it.

So he had no choice. The only way to silence most of the whispers was to come out guns blazing. He had to prove, through his actions, that he was just as blindsided and angry as everyone else. He had to find a way to shut it down.

I'm floored that Woodward was this stupid, though everything we saw over the last decade probably means I shouldn't be. Find a pretext to move the meeting. Have an urgent meeting with a signing you have no intention of making if you have to. You can't permit even the faintest whiff of the PM having been in on it with you from the start, or he will have no choice but to bury you.

It confirms what was obvious enough - they really did think that the fans, and by implication the government, would roll over and play dead.
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The fact they been planning this for 3 years is interesting, the leaks of big picture and pervious SL leaking must have given them hints as to what was and was not acceptable and what reaction they would get
 
Terrarian said:
The Real president lives in dream world, moaning about money whilst saying he can't afford Mbappe, not very self aware are they. Guess what RM if you can't afford a player you can't have him and it's clubs like yours have caused these huge fees.
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It leaves a bitter taste in the mouth doesn't it all of this.

The lot of them are absolutely deluded.
 

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