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Champions League revamp

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MikelsGoat said:
The Premier League is to bring in a new owners' charter to stop future attempts to join a breakaway Super League.

It follows Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester City and Tottenham agreeing to join the failed European Super League last month.
All owners will have to sign up to the new rule "committing them to the core principles" of the league with breaches punished by "significant" sanctions.

The league said "a few clubs cannot be allowed to create such division".

The Super League proposal, which also included some of Europe's biggest clubs, collapsed within 72 hours after widespread criticism from fans, players and governing bodies and politicians.

The Premier League said it is "determined" to "hold those clubs accountable for their decisions and actions".

"We and the FA are pursuing these objectives quickly and appropriately, consulting with fans and government," it said.
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So they've let them off....total joke.....

PL just showed what we all know, the Big 6 have all the power in English football now...

They won't even punish them next time either, they'll be begging them to stay, even if its just their 2nd teams...
 
allen said:
A calm, careful and firm response is needed for the good of all football. Explicitly creating rules to ban clubs from partaking in breakaway leagues is the only way to stop this happening at some point. The best result for the game is that these clubs are meaningfully punished, whipped back into line, and prevented from ever trying this again.

The precise wording of these new rules, how they will be enforced - and by whom - is what will take care and, ideally coordination between the Premier League, FA, UEFA and government.

I'm fine with the work to accomplish this being done quietly and diligently, so long as the end result is one we can be satisfied with.
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The devil, as always, is in the details.

At the end of the day, any commitment is only as good as the cost of the penalty for breaking it and the belief that said penalty will actually apply. If the clubs believe that they will make enough money to justify paying the penalty, or if they believe that the penalty will not in actuality apply, they will likely do as they please.

Note that by "penalty" I don't exclusively mean whatever they commit to the league, as fan reaction and the implications for ticket sales, merchandise sales and lost viewing due to bad press are part of the penalty. So is any loss of personal prestige and social standing the owners might suffer.

It has come up time and again in these discussions that EU competition law is germane to these discussions. There is belief among some posters that those laws prohibit the domestic leagues, UEFA and FIFA from passing regulations whose purpose is to ensure that they are the only game in town.

That's likely to create a persistent credibility problem. There's the cultural heritage argument for why the clubs should effectively be compelled to be part of the existing system and pyramid. Against that is the financial argument of Perez and others that revenue is being foregone as things stand, that UEFA and the domestic leagues are not incentivized to realize that revenue, and that the cultural heritage argument is meaningless if the system collapses into chaos due to the financial pressures of the last year.

Like most of you, I tend to find the argument of Perez and his ilk disingenuous at best. It's not clear that the courts will agree, or that they will agree tomorrow even if they do agree today. One could argue that the sanest course for the big clubs is actually to drive the clubs to the brink of financial disaster, blame the competitive pressures of the present system, and ask the courts for relief in the form of the breakaway league and its guaranteed revenues...if that is not in actual fact precisely what they tried to do already.

So in a sense, I'm not really sure what the leagues can do, other than work to rebuild trust between them and the recalcitrant clubs while working to aggravate their distrust of Perez and the co-conspirators. Punishment for its own sake probably doesn't further that. Finding ways to grow the pie, enhance the competitiveness of the league and enhance the competitiveness of the English clubs in UEFA's competitions does.

From the perspective of the Prem, the objective should be to be so dominant in Europe, and yet so competitive within their own league, that Europe is a sideshow and the league games are where it's at. The trouble is figuring out how to get there when other major clubs have been permitted to vacuum up most of the available revenue within their uncompetitive, or barely competitive leagues.
 
allen said:
I'm hopeful the Premier League and the FA are going about this the right way.

A calm, careful and firm response is needed for the good of all football. Explicitly creating rules to ban clubs from partaking in breakaway leagues is the only way to stop this happening at some point. The best result for the game is that these clubs are meaningfully punished, whipped back into line, and prevented from ever trying this again.

The precise wording of these new rules, how they will be enforced - and by whom - is what will take care and, ideally coordination between the Premier League, FA, UEFA and government.

I'm fine with the work to accomplish this being done quietly and diligently, so long as the end result is one we can be satisfied with.
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Pretty much what we all want there mate.
I dont buy that there's nothing happening because its gone quiet.
I hope & trust the outcome is well thought out with every loophole closed . Most of all it will be legally binding in order for it not to happen again.
I would be horrified if this was rushed & a kneejerk punishment was hatched together.
Ceferin has stated there must be punishment for the breakaways even withdrawing the sweeteners added into Champs lge reforms in 2024.

My guess is nothing will be announced til the seasons over & tbh I'm ok with that.
 
The binman chronicles said:
You need to have a bit more faith tbh. The UEFA officials seem to have it all under control after meeting with the clubs:

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Indeed it's in the courts as we type, some people are just in fairy land if they believe it's not going to happen, just a case of grabbing some crumb... All they will need is one of two key uk media owners on side and jobs a goodun. The plebs will swallow hook line and sinker, free market innit.

www.espn.com

Super League start legal action after threats

The 12 European clubs pursuing a Super League have told the leaders FIFA and UEFA that legal action is already being pursued.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
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NilSatisOptimum said:
Indeed it's in the courts as we type, some people are just in fairy land if they believe it's not going to happen, just a case of grabbing some crumb... All they will need is one of two key uk media owners on side and jobs a goodun. The plebs will swallow hook line and sinker, free market innit.

www.espn.com

Super League start legal action after threats

The 12 European clubs pursuing a Super League have told the leaders FIFA and UEFA that legal action is already being pursued.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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From the 19th April that mate.

2 days before the English clubs pulled out.
 
blulouie said:
Pretty much what we all want there mate.
I dont buy that there's nothing happening because its gone quiet.
I hope & trust the outcome is well thought out with every loophole closed . Most of all it will be legally binding in order for it not to happen again.
I would be horrified if this was rushed & a kneejerk punishment was hatched together.
Ceferin has stated there must be punishment for the breakaways even withdrawing the sweeteners added into Champs lge reforms in 2024.

My guess is nothing will be announced til the seasons over & tbh I'm ok with that.
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I'd like to think it was all of us, but I see a lot of people flapping and complaining that it's all gone quiet.

Flying into a rage-charged instant punishment wasn't likely to happen, and wasn't in anyone's interest. There will be consequences to punishing these clubs, and they need to be thought about and planned for carefully.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.
 

Nymzee said:
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Window dressing.
Who actually believes the multi millionare owners are
actually going to give the normal 'legacy' fan any say
on what goes on or how things are done? They will listen
politely, serve them a nice cup of tea with some biscuits
and that will be the end of that.
 
Little do they know that the three fans chosen will have Kalashnikov's pointed at them from Abromvich goons if they go against the majority.
 

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