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Tell you what though, there are some things about this whole covid situation which just don't make sense....
Social distance...unless you're eating out to help out where we'll happily cram as many in as possible ..
Quarantine from abroad....coming home in dribs and drabs is apparently more dangerous than filling every form of transportation in a mad rush to get home..
Schools: masks required in corridors etc where you briefly pass people, but not in classrooms where kids spend up to an hour in close proximity.
 
f.t.r.s said:
Tell you what though, there are some things about this whole covid situation which just don't make sense....
Social distance...unless you're eating out to help out where we'll happily cram as many in as possible ..
Quarantine from abroad....coming home in dribs and drabs is apparently more dangerous than filling every form of transportation in a mad rush to get home..
Schools: masks required in corridors etc where you briefly pass people, but not in classrooms where kids spend up to an hour in close proximity.
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Yep. That's what happens when you politicise science. Instead of blaming the politicians, people blame the science. Well done Boris, well done.
 
Tea_drinker said:
Richard knows the score:

Catastrophic cost of lockdown, says RICHARD MADELEY | Richard and Judy | Columnists | Comment | Express.co.uk

THIS week a friend told me about an elderly relative who died a few weeks ago from emphysema. The poor man, a lifelong smoker, had been slowly suffocating for a year or more. He wasn't expected to make it past May. Sure enough, he died before the month was out. Of emphysema.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
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Yep, because a friend told him it must be true. Is this really the levels we are stooping to? Really?

You would probably get a lot more respect if you were honest and just said "I don't like the restrictions, so I'm not going to follow them, and bugger everyone else" rather than using claptrap like this to try and justify your position
 

WA Toffee said:
Yep, because a friend told him it must be true. Is this really the levels we are stooping to? Really?

You would probably get a lot more respect if you were honest and just said "I don't like the restrictions, so I'm not going to follow them, and bugger everyone else" rather than using claptrap like this to try and justify your position
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I'm not following them, I'm quite open about that. I'm just showing that there is growing number of people who see through this stupidity too.
 
malcson said:
Why so anti Bill Gates he hardly needs a pandemic to make money and the man has given more to charity than most governments??
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Yes, he’s been involved in so much ‘philanthropy’ that it’s made him the de facto owner/ruler of some extremely powerful institutions including the WHO and the foundation that carries his own name. Y’know the one that arranged a coronavirus simulation drama a few months before the terd hit the fan, it was called Event 201.

The man holds an immense amount of power, too much power! He’s not an angel either, one can look into his behaviours before he was capable of making his ‘donations’ and placing himself in prime position to save the world.

I don’t know what his motivations may be, but people should acknowledge that control is often much more sought after than money.

The poster above says we won’t be microchipped etc, well I don’t share his confidence. It has been shown that the world can be brought to its knees with something that isn’t even that deadly, relative to some other viruses, which are probably being messed about with in some lab somewhere.

It will be no surprise if there is some sort of ‘passport’, none whatsoever. How that passport remains to be seen. It’s likely to at least involve some sort of vaccination, and there’s gona have to be a way of testing who has been tested and who hasn’t? Do you think it will be a certificate, or something that can be detected ‘digitally’?
 
WA Toffee said:
Yes, it could have been made in a lab, but it is more likely that it has mutated from an animal virus.
Yes, there is a virus testing lab in Wuhan, just as there is is practically every major city in the world.
Fact checking is reliable, that's why it is called fact checking.
Bill Gates will not be getting a deal to sell mandatory vaccinations worldwide.
We are not getting microchipped.
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Fact checking isn’t reliable though is it? You’ve just admitted that it’s entirely possible that the virus could have come from a lab, and yet you, and other fact checking sources, have claimed that it ‘more likely’ developed from a mutation outside of the lab.

Describing something as ‘more likely’ means that you have been unable to establish the facts, and when you can’t even state how or why one hypothesis is ‘more likely’ than the other, then no facts have been established AT ALL. So it’s pretty crap fact checking all around if your relying on unexplained ‘more likely’s’.

I’m not convinced that there are labs just like the one in Wuhan in every major city. Yeah, the University of Liverpool will have it’s centre for infectious diseases which a load of spotty undergrads wearing white coats before they spend the night get hammered in ‘The Raz’. But it’s not the same category of lab as the Wuhan one. The Wuhan lab has specifically been studying coronaviruses for the last 15 years at least.

You seem to be confident that we won’t need any type of passport, I hope that you are correct! But as I said before, if there is a passport I don’t see it looking like a certificate for swimming 25 metres in primary school. The passport will be digital in some form or another, whether it be in your body or some harmless ‘app’ on your phone that records everywhere that you move!
 
f.t.r.s said:
Tell you what though, there are some things about this whole covid situation which just don't make sense....
Social distance...unless you're eating out to help out where we'll happily cram as many in as possible ..
Quarantine from abroad....coming home in dribs and drabs is apparently more dangerous than filling every form of transportation in a mad rush to get home..
Schools: masks required in corridors etc where you briefly pass people, but not in classrooms where kids spend up to an hour in close proximity.
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In terms of schools, from what my wife has said the children in secondary schools will be in class or year group bubbles apart from when travelling to the room.

The mask is to limit transmission in these short periods of time, where the bubbles would be briefly broken, so the idea is that it will help reduce cross transmission.

If one groups gets it, they can then isolate in, well, isolation rather than having to mass test the whole school and ask hundreds if not thousands to go home.

Sounds like the right thing to do with me. Quarantine from abroad is a mixture of politics and again trying to minimise risk of new cases from abroad.

And when I've been out, the numbers of people in a restaurant has been below the normal with social distancing in place; you can't eat food with a mask can you?
 

Dymak said:
The poster above says we won’t be microchipped etc, well I don’t share his confidence. It has been shown that the world can be brought to its knees with something that isn’t even that deadly, relative to some other viruses, which are probably being messed about with in some lab somewhere.
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We're already all microchipped, just not internally. We carry them around willingly.

Mobile phone sims, contactless/Chip n pin cards, Passports, newer driving licenses. All contain RFID chips that contain basic info about you and to an extent be tracked.
 
Dymak said:
Fact checking isn’t reliable though is it? You’ve just admitted that it’s entirely possible that the virus could have come from a lab, and yet you, and other fact checking sources, have claimed that it ‘more likely’ developed from a mutation outside of the lab.

Describing something as ‘more likely’ means that you have been unable to establish the facts, and when you can’t even state how or why one hypothesis is ‘more likely’ than the other, then no facts have been established AT ALL. So it’s pretty crap fact checking all around if your relying on unexplained ‘more likely’s’.

I’m not convinced that there are labs just like the one in Wuhan in every major city. Yeah, the University of Liverpool will have it’s centre for infectious diseases which a load of spotty undergrads wearing white coats before they spend the night get hammered in ‘The Raz’. But it’s not the same category of lab as the Wuhan one. The Wuhan lab has specifically been studying coronaviruses for the last 15 years at least.

You seem to be confident that we won’t need any type of passport, I hope that you are correct! But as I said before, if there is a passport I don’t see it looking like a certificate for swimming 25 metres in primary school. The passport will be digital in some form or another, whether it be in your body or some harmless ‘app’ on your phone that records everywhere that you move!
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I think you give me far too much credit

Just because I personally have not fact checked something should not be used as an argument that something cannot be fact checked.
 
WA Toffee said:
I think you give me far too much credit

Just because I personally have not fact checked something should not be used as an argument that something cannot be fact checked.
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I haven’t provided you with any credit mate. I’ve just stated that ‘fact checking’ isn’t always reliable, and when it comes to establishing the cause of this coronavirus outbreak, any so-called ‘fact check’ can’t be classed as factual. They’re hypotheses based on little to no evidence, which claim to be factual without being factual.

This is a topic in and of itself. Who is doing the fact checking? Are we expected to believe that they are all-seeing, all-knowing, oracles that have no bias and are subject to no influence?

The claim that this coronavirus is ‘more likely’ to have derived from somewhere other than the massive coronavirus testing laboratory in Wuhan is a prime example of this.

I’ve even seen it be claimed that it’s not possible to have come from the massive coronavirus testing lab. Based on what? Sod all is the answer, so there has been no ‘fact check’ just speculation from a human being that will be subjected to bias and influence, and a search engine that controls who sees what.
 

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