Conspiracy theories

[malcson]

Im not saying that I necessarily would.

I know I was far more open to one when the government were hiring out exhibition centres with a view to them being used as mass morgues just a few months ago. This was because the level of fear was much greater back then than it is right now.

You will know that vaccines and medications in general have a very chequered past when it comes to side effects. Even the successful drugs come with a list of massive potential side effects, and there has been more than just the one scandal when it comes to the adverse impacts of vaccines and drugs.

It wasn’t long ago that benzodiazepines and opioids like Oxycodone were being described as safe and non-addictive. At one point in the States, I know that they were having adverts on television promoting SSRI’s like sertraline, making out like it wasn’t much more than a relaxing cup of coffee, when they are actually brain altering drugs that can have irreversible side effects in some people.

But life is full of risks and therefore you expect some kind of risk assessment to take place, trials etc, to see if the positives outweigh the negatives.

I’m just making the point that the level of risk assessment desired seems to be dramatically reduced when a person thinks death is on the horizon. And that the tests aren’t fool proof anyway, nearly each and every medication still comes with a massive list of potential side effects even when they have gone through trials etc.

On top of that, I think we are now living in a digital age, which is only going to become more and more digital. How would someone prove that they had been vaccinated? What’s the punishment if they haven’t?

I’m afraid that I can see a future where proof of vaccination comes from a digital scan of your body and not a signed piece of paper.

You don’t need to prove you have been vaccinated. Your medical records would show this and even if proof was required the most likely ‘digital’ solution would be a digital certificate that could be shared via an app NOT digital body scans that would require billions in technology to install scanners etc. Plus the most recent scares about things like MMR have been proven to be false and the conspiracies surrounding them have cost children’s lives through not being vaccinated. This is why conspiracy is so much more dangerous than facts and science.

 

[witchdoc187]

It’d be a bit daft not to have it though eh?

Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

FDA under intensifying pressure from Trump, who wants to see a vaccine come on stream or ready to announce before the election

www.theguardian.com

Would you be happy to have your kids and grandkids if you have them injected with a fast tracked vaccine that hasn't undergone rigorous testing? I wouldn't

 

[Dharma]

You have lost me sorry mate. We were talking about vaccines and whether people should be able to choose or be forced which has got nothing to do with being injured and needing hospital treatment and for the record i never said that i wouldn't choose to have a vaccine, just pointed out the fact that that there is a massive difference between being forced to and choosing to. No government will ever force me to inject a chemical in my body that i don't consent to first, period.

Sorry if wasn't clear enough.
If you are taken to hospital after say, a heart attack or after a serious accident, they inject you with chemicals.
They do it to save your life, as with a vaccine. You see my point?

 

[verreauxi]

You have lost me sorry mate. We were talking about vaccines and whether people should be able to choose or be forced which has got nothing to do with being injured and needing hospital treatment and for the record i never said that i wouldn't choose to have a vaccine, just pointed out the fact that that there is a massive difference between being forced to and choosing to. No government will ever force me to inject a chemical in my body that i don't consent to first, period.

What if you have a 3yr old who can't make decisions for themselves? Would you give them the measles vaccine or not? They can't do it themselves so would you force it on them?

 

[FTY]

What yous sayin to this one, what if we are the aliens.

Just like a little colony from a planet that was on its arse millions of years ago in the same way earth is gonna be soon.They sent some scouts Or stn here to see if anything like them (us) could survive, found monkeys, and sent us down here

sounds mad cus how would they have the technology? But for all we know they could’vehad 165m years ,or however long dinosaurs were here For, to be developing all that. P likely IMO. Look into it

 

[Groucho]

Alarm as FDA willing to issue Covid-19 vaccine before stringent safety testing

FDA under intensifying pressure from Trump, who wants to see a vaccine come on stream or ready to announce before the election

www.theguardian.com

Would you be happy to have your kids and grandkids if you have them injected with a fast tracked vaccine that hasn't undergone rigorous testing? I wouldn't

Who said anything about ones that haven’t undergone testing? I’m talking about a proper vaccine. A safe one.

 

[st.domingo]

The good Dr Coleman has a book for some of y’all to read, before you start throwing around pejoratives and accusing others of ignorance.

And some questions:

Do you not recognise the bodily sovereignty of the individual?

Do you support a woman’s right to choose when it comes to abortion?

Do you support government violence?

 

[WA Toffee]

Given your massive degree of knowledge on the subject, please tell us all why the chance of the outbreak deriving from the massive coronavirus testing lab in Wuhan is considered “tiny” (your words)?

I don’t think we are miles apart here.

You admit that that we don’t know where the virus came from, you admit that it could have come from the massive coronavirus testing lab in Wuhan, and you admit that the claim that it didn’t come from the massive coronavirus testing lab is a hypothesis.

My argument is that any ‘fact checking’ on the subject of where this virus came from hasn’t been a fact check, they’re hypotheses where facts haven’t been established, which you agree with!

Yes, we agree that there is a possibility that it could have come from a lab. Where we differ, and appear to differ greatly is in our estimation of the likelihood of that happening. You see, just because something is possible, does not make it likely.

I believe it to be a less than 0.001% chance that there is there is some big conspiracy around releasing coronavirus, you appear to think it is more likely than not.

So I would say that yes, we are miles apart here.

 

[trueblue84]

The good Dr Coleman has a book for some of y’all to read, before you start throwing around pejoratives and accusing others of ignorance.

And some questions:

Do you not recognise the bodily sovereignty of the individual?

There is a world of difference in someone having the right to decide what happens to them and someone trying to convince others to do the same. Usually with sketchy evidence or no evidence at all.

The simple truth is that facts and opinions are not equal.

Do you support a woman’s right to choose when it comes to abortion?

Yes, although it is difficult to generalise all abortion cases.

Do you support government violence?

No. Has anybody ever said they do? It depends what are you considering as violence, though?

 

[Tramps_mate]

Who said anything about ones that haven’t undergone testing? I’m talking about a proper vaccine. A safe one.

That would require 5-10 years of testing. Not 4-5 months. THAT is the problem that most people have. Any vaccines in the next 12 months cannot have been trialed properly.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Plus, like with SARS, which never had a vaccine developed, covid 19 is reported to be weakening. SARS still exists, it's just becoming weaker as time progresses. Covid 19 will be around for years and years now.

 

[Lob]

Sorry if wasn't clear enough.
If you are taken to hospital after say, a heart attack or after a serious accident, they inject you with chemicals.
They do it to save your life, as with a vaccine. You see my point?

Nope i don't see your point. One situation is life threatening and the other is not. Most vaccines are intended to prevent you from getting something that you may never actually get anyway and in most cases you are not dying in hospital and can make an informed decision whether you want it or not. For example, there is no evidence whatsoever that if you don't get the yearly Flu vaccine you will get the Flu. On the contrary, i have never had a Flu vaccine and i have never had the Flu.

People need to have the freedom to make their own decisions and stop trying to tell everyone else what they should do based upon their own personal beliefs and preferences.

 

[witchdoc187]

Who said anything about ones that haven’t undergone testing? I’m talking about a proper vaccine. A safe one.

I think the point is if the government make them mandatory then you don't have a choice. That's what I'd be worried about

 

[witchdoc187]

Who said anything about ones that haven’t undergone testing? I’m talking about a proper vaccine. A safe one.

Or you're happy to have mandatory vaccines provided you can choose which ones to have?

 

[Yarrgh]

What yous sayin to this one, what if we are the aliens.

Just like a little colony from a planet that was on its arse millions of years ago in the same way earth is gonna be soon.They sent some scouts Or stn here to see if anything like them (us) could survive, found monkeys, and sent us down here

sounds mad cus how would they have the technology? But for all we know they could’vehad 165m years ,or however long dinosaurs were here For, to be developing all that. P likely IMO. Look into it

Where would someone start looking if so inclined?