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Conspiracy theories

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Daveysgingerlovechild said:
Are you owning up to pointy head tin foil hat tendencies here?
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not ruling anything out. we've all experienced some conspiracy theories become true, or close to truth:

- Iraq invasion was about oil not about WMD's.

- sars-cov-2 came from the lab (with China threatening war if anyone investigates further, this seems a given now).

- the suspicions that our internet devices were being recorded and 'spied' upon by authorities was confirmed by Edward Snowden.

- rumours that american military were mowing arab folk down with machine guns for sport was dismissed as a conspiracy theory, until Wikileaks released video of it.

- Assange's long stay in the embassy wasn't him escaping justice for alleged sexual 'assault', it was him afraid of being arrested by the americans for said video...this was dismissed as a paranoid egoistic conspiracy for years, even to the point where we were called "rape apologists". Of course, Assange eventually got carted off into a van, and is still in jail awaiting a decision on extradition to US.


loads more like...so honestly at least the US election fraud is within the realms of feasibility, considering how maniacally anti-Trump the establishment have been.

The really dark one however is the conspiracy theories surrounding the vaccines, that they mess with women's reproductive bits (ala like the plot from Utopia...a quasi-harmless hard-reduction of the future global population).

Sauce for this dark conspiracy theory are two actual former Pfizer scientists, quite senior at that. They didn't say the Pfizer vaccine will cause infertility, they just said there should be more study before release as the vaccine has been shown to block protein-production in the placenta of certain mammals. Original source here.

I personally don't believe the vaccines are dangerous en-masse...but some do. And this post from the BBC confirming period-timeline changes did stir the pot a little.
 
dholliday said:
chaos theory can't be countered by anything, not Deep State, not even the gods.

Either chaos theory is a thing (i.e. set the table, and let the balls fall where they may), or it is not (powers-that-be/gods are behind everything).
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...exactly...which is why it is anathema to them
 
dholliday said:
not ruling anything out. we've all experienced some conspiracy theories become true, or close to truth:

- Iraq invasion was about oil not about WMD's.
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Oil may have played a part in the decision making, but personally it's a bit one-dimensional to label it solely about one and not the other - it's more complex.

While the cost of the invasion was probably underestimated, the cost to the US alone is over $1.1 trillion dollars and rising; have they made that much from oil?
 

deipnosophist said:
...finding such revelation, such Damascene moment, is the reason we are habitués of this football forum!

Everton that!
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GOT > EVERTON


PhilM said:
Oil may have played a part in the decision making, but personally it's a bit one-dimensional to label it solely about one and not the other - it's more complex.

While the cost of the invasion was probably underestimated, the cost to the US alone is over $1.1 trillion dollars and rising; have they made that much from oil?
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Who they are, and who the US are, aren't the same entity. They (Cheney, Halliburton & myriad loosely-affiliated companies, also foreign) made a lot of money by invading Iraq. That invasion cost the US (government, taxpayers) a lot of money.

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Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."
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deipnosophist said:
Oh no doubting Sadam was a nasty piece of work...he was USA's big geopolitical ally once upon a time
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I'm in two minds on Saddam to be honest.. was there proof of him gassing Kurds? Also Gaddafi. Those two kept the middle East under control and they wanted to take back control of their oil and move it away from control of the dollar. Which the USA were dead against..
 
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Tramps_mate said:
I'm in two minds on Saddam to be honest.. was there proof of him gassing Kurds? Also Gaddafi. Those two kept the middle East under control and they wanted to take back control of their oil and move it away from control of the dollar. Which the USA were dead against..
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If the hegemony of the US dollar is threatened, you are at war with the US. It was said about the USSR as it neared its demise "it's a third rate nation...with first rate weapons".
The parallel with present-times USA is disturbing.
 
PhilM said:
Oil may have played a part in the decision making, but personally it's a bit one-dimensional to label it solely about one and not the other - it's more complex.

While the cost of the invasion was probably underestimated, the cost to the US alone is over $1.1 trillion dollars and rising; have they made that much from oil?
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To be fair, the cost was spread to the US citizens via taxation; the profits to be made were concentrated in a few special interests...so it seems.
 
dholliday said:
not ruling anything out. we've all experienced some conspiracy theories become true, or close to truth:

- Iraq invasion was about oil not about WMD's.

- sars-cov-2 came from the lab (with China threatening war if anyone investigates further, this seems a given now).

- the suspicions that our internet devices were being recorded and 'spied' upon by authorities was confirmed by Edward Snowden.

- rumours that american military were mowing arab folk down with machine guns for sport was dismissed as a conspiracy theory, until Wikileaks released video of it.

- Assange's long stay in the embassy wasn't him escaping justice for alleged sexual 'assault', it was him afraid of being arrested by the americans for said video...this was dismissed as a paranoid egoistic conspiracy for years, even to the point where we were called "rape apologists". Of course, Assange eventually got carted off into a van, and is still in jail awaiting a decision on extradition to US.


loads more like...so honestly at least the US election fraud is within the realms of feasibility, considering how maniacally anti-Trump the establishment have been.

The really dark one however is the conspiracy theories surrounding the vaccines, that they mess with women's reproductive bits (ala like the plot from Utopia...a quasi-harmless hard-reduction of the future global population).

Sauce for this dark conspiracy theory are two actual former Pfizer scientists, quite senior at that. They didn't say the Pfizer vaccine will cause infertility, they just said there should be more study before release as the vaccine has been shown to block protein-production in the placenta of certain mammals. Original source here.

I personally don't believe the vaccines are dangerous en-masse...but some do. And this post from the BBC confirming period-timeline changes did stir the pot a little.
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Like Men, women ingest plastics and man made chemicals. We are now a race of infertile individuals . Good because we destroy all we touch.
 
dholliday said:
i met an american captain who served there, he tells a different tale: he witnessed the oil contracts.

all those millions who marched against the invasion were right, it really was about the oil.

the world is schit sometimes.
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Isn't the whole middle east issue about the oil? Sometimes they just come up with a convenient excuse to use to justify it.

Here's a conspiracy with absolutely no base to it but wouldn't surprise me. Israel is actively hindering global efforts to move away from fossil fuels, because when the US doesn't need oil, they will ignore the middle east and Israel will be destroyed by its neighbours.
 

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