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Old Blue 2 said:
Thousands of people remained silent about the work they did at Bletchley Park re Enigma in World War 2 for decades...

Don't have a closed mind about the lengths Governments will go to, to achieve their ends.

Oh also, go read up about 'Operation Goodwood', as to what a Government would be prepared to do.
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What about the attempted capture of Caen signifies the government would be willing to commit such atrocities like 9/11 against its own people?

BP is different as well because ultimately those involved could keep such actions secrets without involving, endangering or directly killing their own citizens.

There's people on here, bound by the Official Secrets Act, who know confidential stuff, but it doesn't mean they're involved in some mass conspiracy or would do so.

Is every 'supposed' family member onboard those planes complicit or are they fictitious? The people in the airport who dealt with those planes? The responders?
 
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PhilM said:
What about the attempted capture of Caen signifies the government would be willing to commit such atrocities like 9/11 against its own people?

BP is different as well because ultimately those involved could keep such actions secrets without involving, endangering or directly killing their own citizens.

There's people on here, who bound by the Official Secrets Act, know confidential stuff, but it doesn't mean they're involved in some mass conspiracy.

Is every 'supposed' family member onboard those planes complicit or are they fictitious? The people in the airport who dealt with those planes? The responders?
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Read up on it all, Phil. For example, the phone calls made at 30,000 feet, 20,000 feet, could not be made in 2001.

I signed the Official Secrets Act in October 1969. There is confidential stuff that I know but would NEVER publish anywhere. Not conspiracy, but things that go on that nobody has even the slightest idea about.

Keep an open mind, Phil. That's all I say.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
Read up on it all, Phil. For example, the phone calls made at 30,000 feet, 20,000 feet, could not be made in 2001.

I signed the Official Secrets Act in October 1969. There is confidential stuff that I know but would NEVER publish anywhere. Not conspiracy, but things that go on that nobody has even the slightest idea about.

Keep an open mind, Phil. That's all I say.
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Air to ground telephones, as fitted on many US domestic flights, were readily available back in the 80s onto the early 90s, and many of these were used.

In addition, back in 1990 while flying high over Skopje I made a short phone call using a standard GPS telephone, which is two/three years before 2001.

The reason being that 30,000ft as you say is roughly what 6 miles, while masts could then effectively work up to 40+miles based on geography and interference.

I'm fully aware that the government can and does manipulate and deal with some shady stuff, but in reality this is in most cases small and very effectively contained.

On the balance of probability alone, I simply can't see why the US would undertake such a huge charade and expect it to work and remain secret.

If they did want to do something sinister, there would have been much easier and as effective options (car bombs) without the need for mass conspirators.

There is a wealth of evidence, some nigh on indisputable, that would suggest that it was a truthful attack compared to what I can only determine as conjecture.
 
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Old Blue 2 said:
Here's the link again, degsy. Read through it all and you will see the pics.

newspunch.com

CIA Pilot Presents Evidence That No Planes Hit Towers On 9/11

Ex-CIA and commercial jet pilot John Lear claims that the Twin Towers were not bought to the ground by planes crashing into them on 9/11, and now detailed information has been posted online corroborating his [...]
newspunch.com newspunch.com
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The 'ayes'; Makes a convincing case

The 'nays'; well they would wouldn't they

'Me'; apart from - because they can - why

Cynical Me'; when did they ever need a reason.

In truth I wouldn't know what to believe.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
It's about the content, Jimmy, not the site.

It's about supposed terrorists having only ever flown single-engined 'Piper Cub' type of aircraft climbing into the cockpit of a 7-series Boeing, flying it at 500+ mph, and carrying out manoeuvres that simply cannot be done, as evidenced not only by the pilots in that article, but a whole shoal of them in posts on Youtube from those in 'Pilots for truth'. THAT is the square that cannot be circled.

Have you spoken to pilots regarding the types they have flown, and their handling characteristics? What they can and can not do? I have.

Have you studied photos of crashed aircraft? Looked at the resulting debris? And then looked at the Pentagon debris? Or Flight 93?

I'm looking for a sensible debate here, not simply dissing the organ upon which the article is put up on.

And the UK went to war piggy-backing the USA on the false WMD premise, for which Bliar should be eternally ashamed of...
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The assumption is that the only training they had was in light aircraft,flight simulators can be very effective, remember reading that some kids who used them gaming performed better than trained fighter pilots.
 

It's really odd that given all of the POTUS since Kennedy not one of them has commented on his demise. Maybe even they are excluded from classified information,which is odd given they have their finger on the button,but then maybe they don't and it's the Illuminati that would make that decision...and around we go.
 
PhilM said:
Air to ground telephones, as fitted on many US domestic flights, were readily available back in the 80s onto the early 90s, and many of these were used.

In addition, back in 1990 while flying high over Skopje I made a short phone call using a standard GPS telephone, which is two/three years before 2001.

The reason being that 30,000ft as you say is roughly what 6 miles, while masts could then effectively work up to 40+miles based on geography and interference.

I'm fully aware that the government can and does manipulate and deal with some shady stuff, but in reality this is in most cases small and very effectively contained.

On the balance of probability alone, I simply can't see why the US would undertake such a huge charade and expect it to work and remain secret.

If they did want to do something sinister, there would have been much easier and as effective options (car bombs) without the need for mass conspirators.

There is a wealth of evidence, some nigh on indisputable, that would suggest that it was a truthful attack compared to what I can only determine as conjecture.
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That was meant to say ‘99.
 
I have evidence that we’re all actually living in an AI operated consciousness by machines that want to harvest our energy because I saw a film about it once.

It was produced by people wanting the truth to be known you see, and there was a video on YouTube by some forty-seven year old virgin who fixes computers.

Oh, I also saw a real life glitch once when I was walking back from the pub after drinking fourteen pints. The whole world was shaaaaaaking.
 

PhilM said:
I have evidence that we’re all actually living in an AI operated consciousness by machines that want to harvest our energy because I saw a film about it once.

It was produced by people wanting the truth to be known you see, and there was a video on YouTube by some forty-seven year old virgin who fixes computers.

Oh, I also saw a real life glitch once when I was walking back from the pub after drinking fourteen pints. The whole world was shaaaaaaking.
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I'd probably produce more energy if I was actually having a good time in here.
 

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