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Rudolf Hucker said:
We should all trust “THE” science. But scientists don’t all agree, that’s kind of how science works. Not all virologists & epidemiologists agree. So who should be trust? Dr Hillary? ? Or that Ferguson who was nobbing a woman who lived at home with her husband & 3 kids, while he was preaching no mixing?

When the great “philanthropist“ John D Rockefeller entered medicine he sort to create another industry he could monopolise. Natural medicines couldn’t be patented, but petrochemical based drugs could. The doctors & scientists of the day questioned his concoctions. He simply replaced them by funding the training & certification of his own. He funded the Flexner report etc.. Long story, but one that everyone should be aware of.

Not making any comment on the vaccine. People should be free to make their own decisions.

The only things I really believe in life are :

1) Never ever trust a single word from the mouth of a politician. Ever!

2) When a rich man is giving away money, ask what he getting in return. Philanthropists my ar5e!

3) Whatever you hear on the news/social media, have a think who funds them & who stands to gain. Follow the money…

4) Koppites are gobsh1tes.


Amen
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Never ever trust any politician who advocated a 5 day week, paid holidays, sick pay, state pensions, maternity leave, a national health service.Human Rights.
Go with the flow.
 
davek said:
Doesn't work like that. The unvaccinated population act as a huge laboratory for further variants to emerge in. Those variants threaten the vaccinated too.

We need the world's population vaccinated to prevent new mutations occurring.

It might well be we get lucky with Omicron not being worse than Delta, but if we dont get lucky next time it could prove to be a species extinction event.

Just roll your sleeve up FFS and get a vaccine. You've already had scores of them in your life by adulthood.
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that is nonsense,
there is no evidence being vaccinated stops new variants developing or transmitting.
 
nikom court said:
but if you have been vaccinated wont the vaccine protect you being severely ill or death.
arent the unvaccinated taking all the risks?
unless it doesnt work of course!
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The unvaccinated aren't taking all the risks because despite not participating in a national vaccination programme, they'll still expect to be treated by the national health service.

Between 20 per cent and 30 per cent of critical care beds in England are occupied by Covid patients and three quarters of those have not been vaccinated (from the Sunday Times this weekend).

The reality is that it isn't just a "personal" choice -- if you also choose to participate in society then your choice has impact on others.
 

davek said:
Doesn't work like that. The unvaccinated population act as a huge laboratory for further variants to emerge in. Those variants threaten the vaccinated too.

We need the world's population vaccinated to prevent new mutations occurring.

It might well be we get lucky with Omicron not being worse than Delta, but if we dont get lucky next time it could prove to be a species extinction event.

Just roll your sleeve up FFS and get a vaccine. You've already had scores of them in your life by adulthood.
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Actually that's not how it works. Once you introduce a vaccine to a virus it will always try to escape aka "vaccine escape" Of course in the history of man we have never invented a successful coronavirus vaccine and thus here we are. With a leaky so called vaccine which is producing mutations
 
davek said:
Doesn't work like that. The unvaccinated population act as a huge laboratory for further variants to emerge in. Those variants threaten the vaccinated too.

We need the world's population vaccinated to prevent new mutations occurring.

It might well be we get lucky with Omicron not being worse than Delta, but if we dont get lucky next time it could prove to be a species extinction event.

Just roll your sleeve up FFS and get a vaccine. You've already had scores of them in your life by adulthood.
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If only the government introduced social distancing, a vaccine and mask mandates we wouldn't be in this mess....................................Oh wait, :coffee:

#Newvariant

Merry Christmas to you all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
yakublue said:
The unvaccinated aren't taking all the risks because despite not participating in a national vaccination programme, they'll still expect to be treated by the national health service.

Between 20 per cent and 30 per cent of critical care beds in England are occupied by Covid patients and three quarters of those have not been vaccinated (from the Sunday Times this weekend).

The reality is that it isn't just a "personal" choice -- if you also choose to participate in society then your choice has impact on others.
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What about people that aren’t in any way at risk of being hospitalised by Covid?
 
davek said:
Doesn't work like that. The unvaccinated population act as a huge laboratory for further variants to emerge in. Those variants threaten the vaccinated too.

We need the world's population vaccinated to prevent new mutations occurring.

It might well be we get lucky with Omicron not being worse than Delta, but if we dont get lucky next time it could prove to be a species extinction event.

Just roll your sleeve up FFS and get a vaccine. You've already had scores of them in your life by adulthood.
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Only if the vaccine prevents you from catching and spreading the disease. These ones don’t. So, it’s actually the reverse in this instance. The vaccines cause an evolutionary pressure forcing them to mutate faster and in a more specific way.

Oh, and omicron was found in vaccinated and transmitted in vaccinated.
 

oglop44 said:
Safe to say I'm not following your logic here. There isn't a way to know whether or not you would be hospitalised if you caught covid. That's why we have the vaccine, in an attempt to just prevent as many cases as possible.
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What about if you’ve caught it??
 
oglop44 said:
Dead people?
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How about the 3 million people world wide who have caught it and the 0 people who have died. (According to the WHO). So everyone basically.
Edit: omicron, which is why we’re now having restrictions which we were promised we wouldn’t have again…
 

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