Dan Meis Workshop

[bluestevon]

Meis did discuss the overhang issue.

Basically if you had the overhang then the top deck needs to be steeper to maintain viewing angles at the back of the top deck, and they’re already at maximum steepness within current regulations.

Probably been asked this before mate, but what was your overall impression of not only the meeting etc but also of Meiss?

 

[ashwuk76]

Italians are generally a smaller people

 

[Saint Domingo]

Why are Roma moving to a smaller stadium then ???
Why are Inter looking to move to a smaller stadium ??
Why have AC Milan been looking at 48k seater new stadium designs ??
Why did Juventus ??

Ambiton is NOT tied to capacity, these clubs prove you wrong.

We aren’t competing against those sides, we are competing against the top 6 in England all of whom have, of have plans for, a 60K+ seater stadium.

 

[Pabbers]

We aren’t competing against those sides, we are competing against the top 6 in England all of whom have, of have plans for, a 60K+ seater stadium.

Hold on mate, you used them as an example. You can't have it both ways.

 

[neil999]

2 per seat

 

[peteblue]

The back of the Kop is an awful long way from the pitch, and this goes even further back......

 

[GARY_EVERTONIAN]

Valencia who win stuff and challenge for CL positions?

We used to be the club of firsts. We took the risks because it meant we retained our competitive edge. Now the ‘be careful what you wish for’ mantra has seeped right through the club and parts of the fan base.

Listen m not trying to be negative here but valencia tried to match bernabeau and camp nou with very ambitious and unrealistic plans , with debts above their repayment capacity .. and the rest is a half finished stadium and a case study . So unless usmanov invests his money or we find a sheikh owner, this is the best we can afford ..

 

[Lanolin]

and what if that does occur and suddenly match tickets are cheaper and people actually want to go to the game rather than watch it on their phone? Or over the next few decades the tv bubble bursts and we go back to relying on matchday income?

Building extra seats is a one off cost now that even if it doesn’t pay off in any short term projections over the long term you will always make more money on it. This is our home for the next 100 years potentially so why are we quibbling over whether there’s short term loan repayment value in an extra 10k seats?

It’s about ambition, about wanting to be there with the best and at the moment there’s no single feature on the stadium that does that. As usual Everton are seemingly building to the brief of ‘we will have the nicest stadium in the league’, but I would bet any money that the brief will not be to have the best.

The only redeeming feature on the initial plans I can see is the waterfront location. Everything else is not even revolutionary for the premier league as of now never mind forward looking.

We’ve apparently copied the yellow wall by planning to build a di glow tier which will be smaller than Spurs and possibly Villa’s, it might only be 1.5k more than the Galaxy’s Street is and will be miles behind the kop when it’s expanded.

I think there's a tendency for people to assume attendances will go up if the TV bubble bursts but there's very little evidence to suggest that will be the case. Attendances have grown over the last 20 years or so because the PL is a global brand and it's 'cool' to go the match etc. If the bubble bursts and football goes back to being the preserve of the local working classes, I would expect attendances to drop substantially.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Hold on mate, you used them as an example. You can't have it both ways.

I used the San Siro as an example (because someone else brought Juve up) about how that is truly an iconic stadium whereas Juventus’ new one is not. Italy is a difficult one because a lot of clubs are having to move to owning their own stadium which is not the same as in England as most already do. The finances are also completely different given tv deals and how much fans are willing to pay for tickets in England.

My point remains that whilst there is no direct linkage between capacity and success (eg. Sunderland and Newcastle) it is not a coincidence that the clubs aspiring for success in England have all targeted above that magic number apart from one....

 

[peteblue]

Away fans are top right corner next to sewage plant/Regent road from earlier pictures of the ground. The large, steep home stand is the one by Nelson dock.

The RS should feel at home there then......

 

[bluestevon]

and what if that does occur and suddenly match tickets are cheaper and people actually want to go to the game rather than watch it on their phone? Or over the next few decades the tv bubble bursts and we go back to relying on matchday income?

Building extra seats is a one off cost now that even if it doesn’t pay off in any short term projections over the long term you will always make more money on it. This is our home for the next 100 years potentially so why are we quibbling over whether there’s short term loan repayment value in an extra 10k seats?

It’s about ambition, about wanting to be there with the best and at the moment there’s no single feature on the stadium that does that. As usual Everton are seemingly building to the brief of ‘we will have the nicest stadium in the league’, but I would bet any money that the brief will not be to have the best.

The only redeeming feature on the initial plans I can see is the waterfront location. Everything else is not even revolutionary for the premier league as of now never mind forward looking.

We’ve apparently copied the yellow wall by planning to build a di glow tier which will be smaller than Spurs and possibly Villa’s, it might only be 1.5k more than the Galaxy’s Street is and will be miles behind the kop when it’s expanded.

when are they expanding the kop mate? Is it even possible for them to expand it - wouldn't that entail a complete re-diverting of Breck road? Given that they are redeveloping that soon i believe - any future Kop expansion would have had to have been done prior so the road could then be re-diverted, it isn't gonna happen once they have redeveloped it is it?

the rs are focusing on the areas of the ground they can stick more boxes in more than 'fan experience' - and even should they get around to redoing the kop - 100% they would slap luxury exec boxes right into the middle of it as has been done at some other grounds that prioritised the execs over atmosphere or the average fan.

 

[catcherintherye]

I used the San Siro as an example (because someone else brought Juve up) about how that is truly an iconic stadium whereas Juventus’ new one is not. Italy is a difficult one because a lot of clubs are having to move to owning their own stadium which is not the same as in England as most already do. The finances are also completely different given tv deals and how much fans are willing to pay for tickets in England.

My point remains that whilst there is no direct linkage between capacity and success (eg. Sunderland and Newcastle) it is not a coincidence that the clubs aspiring for success in England have all targeted above that magic number apart from one....

The answer is simpler really mate. Serie A is a league with dwindling attendances, whereas the PL is a league with growing attendances and a global appeal.

 

[Pabbers]

I used the San Siro as an example (because someone else brought Juve up) about how that is truly an iconic stadium whereas Juventus’ new one is not. Italy is a difficult one because a lot of clubs are having to move to owning their own stadium which is not the same as in England as most already do. The finances are also completely different given tv deals and how much fans are willing to pay for tickets in England.

My point remains that whilst there is no direct linkage between capacity and success (eg. Sunderland and Newcastle) it is not a coincidence that the clubs aspiring for success in England have all targeted above that magic number apart from one....

I have you so wrong on this capacity issue. You are putting too much on that number, it’s irrelevant really.

55k would be perfect I feel.

So would 59k be no ambition, and 60k be ambition ??

Its not the number, its the whole project. The fact that we are moving into the city centre and not to cheaper easier land outside, says more.

 

[bluestevon]

Real have been to the San Siro plenty of times as Milan have won 7 CLs to Juve’s 2. Do you know who else goes to the San Siro? Absolutely loads of people who travel to watch games there as s bucket list item because they want to see the San Siro one of the top stadiums in Europe and the best in Italy. Exactly the same way they do with the Nou Camp or Bernabeu, or Dortmund’s ground. I can’t remember too many people saying ‘I really want to watch a game in the Juventus stadium’.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for us and once again we’re positioning ourselves behind the pack. Abramovich is building a new stadium at massive expense despite Chelsea’s success because he understands the importance of not being left behind, something Everton’s board don’t.

Ever been the San siro mate?

It's a dogshit stadium, in an area that makes Toxteth look like a pleasant vacation spot, in a City that besides for about 3-4 streets is a dump.

It may be one a load of peoples bucket lists, but honestly so what, btw Inter are planning on leaving this stadium as soon as they can as well

 

[PhilM]

when are they expanding the kop mate? Is it even possible for them to expand it - wouldn't that entail a complete re-diverting of Breck road? Given that they are redeveloping that soon i believe - any future Kop expansion would have had to have been done prior so the road could then be re-diverted, it isn't gonna happen once they have redeveloped it is it?

the rs are focusing on the areas of the ground they can stick more boxes in more than 'fan experience' - and even should they get around to redoing the kop - 100% they would slap luxury exec boxes right into the middle of it as has been done at some other grounds that prioritised the execs over atmosphere or the average fan.

The next step is the Anfield Road, which they already have planning permission for, however it isn't financially viable under current ticket prices.

Once they've paid for the Main Stand (within five years) from increased hospitality revenue and current ticket revenue then maybe they will.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no concrete plans for any major building work on the Kop within the foreseeable future - only the above.