David Moyes

[Liam-EFC]

When I heard that it just makes me think that's why he wasn't successful.

Feeding off the tit of Saf. You have to be bullish in your own right, I can't imagine anyone speaking like that to Mourinho or other top managers. They decide where they go, they don't come running when someone clicks their fingers.

A man with an inferiority complex.

 

[Bedfordblue]

Sir Alex retired in 2013

Moyes had only managed Preston and Everton at that point and had been given the opportunity to manage one of the best clubs in world football who at that time had won the league on 5 occasions in the past 7 years

it was a massive step up for moyes and an impossible position for him to refuse it really

Mourinho had already managed Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid
Pep had already managed Barcelona and had just joined Bayern Munich

you could argue for both Mourinho and Pep they had better jobs already

it would be like if Pep Guardiola came to Eddie Howe now and told him he would be the next Man City manager

do you think Eddie Howe turns down the job of Man City?

Personally have no issue with the concept of him taking the job, it’s manner in which he did I find a bit off, along with his behaviour towards Everton once appointed.
For someone who had often talked about doing things properly, esp around transfers, he certainly didn’t practice what he preached.
Knowing full well our supposed financial constraints, he could have garnered a fee for us, and gone with most people blessing, but he elected to see out his contract having clearly been tapped up some considerable time before.
He then made approaches for two of our best players, again perfectly entitled to, but to make such a ‘derisory’ (Moyes v Hughes 2009) bid AND suggest Everton was holding their careers back was quite the slap in the face.
Everton did more for Moyes than he did for us, his spell here still being the pinnacle of an average career.

 

[RomanReigns]

wouldn't the pinnacle of his career be winning a european trophy with west ham?

 

[Titus Bramble]

It's the way it was done, not the fact he left. No problems if utd made a legitimate request and he like a man said I'm off at the end of the season. It's the underhand way and the yes Sir Alex, I'll go buy some trousers as I'm going to see Sir Alex crap. Tell him you'll see him when you are ready. He's just a lapdog and that's why he has had the career he has had.

He's not done badly for himself like

 

[The binman chronicles]

He's not done badly for himself like

Well it's all about levels. Compared to me yes, but compared to the great managers of his generation, not really.

I'm actually harsher on him because he had something, he built great teams and then didn't utilise them correctly or didn't give them the last push of belief that they could go on and win the big games. The hiding behind the no money situation, yes it's true, you have rise to challenge to overcome that. Birmingham, Wigan, Swansea, Portsmouth et all, didn't have better teams than us, yet we're the one without a pot to show for it.

If he had of parked all of that he may have been in that top tier of Scottish managers.

 

[Bedfordblue]

He's not done badly for himself like

Monetary wise no doubt, but very average career, Man U on his CV being something of an anomaly as he bottled it completely.
Can’t even say he’s a modern day Harry Rednapp as he was more successful. Probably closer to Pardew.

 

[Daytripper]

Hate the way people buy into his “plucky little Everton” mindset .

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Looking at what we have endured since he left us compared with when he was with us - yep he did a pretty good job for us

 

[Frenk]

Looking at what we have endured since he left us compared with when he was with us - yep he did a pretty good job for us

If it had been ran like it should have been we would look at what he did as just ok. He was part of the charade put on by those people who have ran this club into the ground.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Some people go on about us in the Moyes era like it was the 80's under Howard Kendall at times.

We had a good team under Moyes, but they were also rans at the end of the day.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Looking at what we have endured since he left us compared with when he was with us - yep he did a pretty good job for us

That's because there was only Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd and the RS. The rest of the teams were just OK, or blew hot and cold. We may have had a budget to keep to but he bought players like Beattie, Yakubu, Johnson and Fellaini who were massively more expensive than what most teams could afford. The TV deals means that has all been condensed.

Add to that we were still seen as a big club, so if we were going up against others chances are they'd pick us. All that means if Moyes was just starting out with us now, instead of 5th to 7th we'd be looking at 8th to 14th and he probably wouldn't last more than 3 seasons here.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Some people go on about us in the Moyes era like it was the 80's under Howard Kendall at times.

We had a good team under Moyes, but they were also rans at the end of the day.

I agree but they also over achieved given what he had at his disposal.

In terms of what came before and after him I raise you Walter Smith, Ronald Koeman, Sam Allardyce, Marco Silva, Rafael Benitez, Frank Lampard and Sean Dyche, Howard Kendall 2, Howard Kendall 3, Mike Walker, Joe Royle. All have worse win percentages than Moyes.

Only Carlo, Martinez (that surprised me!) and Colin Harvey had better win percentages than Moyes since Howard Kendal 1 and the you are back to Harry Catterick !!

I will let Joe Royle go as he won the FA Cup and, well, he is Joe Royle

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I agree but they also over achieved given what he had at his disposal.

In terms of what came before and after him I raise you Walter Smith, Ronald Koeman, Sam Allardyce, Marco Silva, Rafael Benitez, Frank Lampard and Sean Dyche, Howard Kendall 2, Howard Kendall 3, Mike Walker, Joe Royle. All have worse win percentages than Moyes.

Only Carlo, Martinez (that surprised me!) and Colin Harvey had better win percentages than Moyes since Howard Kendal 1 and the you are back to Harry Catterick !!

I will let Joe Royle go as he won the FA Cup and, well, he is Joe Royle

Of the non trophy winning Everton managers i'd still have Gordon Lee ahead of him. Gordon was a very unlucky Everton manager imo.

Joe Royle's Everton team also had a way better record in the big games than the teams under Moyes.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Of the non trophy winning Everton managers i'd still have Gordon Lee ahead of him. Gordon was a very unlucky Everton manager imo.

Joe Royle's Everton team also had a way better record in the big games than the teams under Moyes.

Gordon Lee was my first Everton manager.

I know they are just stats but whether winning away to big guns or winning at home to minnows they all score the same points. Moyes was pragmatic (similar to Dyche tbh) and set out to maximise the points his teams got. I would argue he did that but “surrendered” to big teams. This is Dyche too. Sets out for a 0-0 away to the big guns. Go one down and it’s over. Can’t switch to plan B

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

That's because there was only Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd and the RS. The rest of the teams were just OK, or blew hot and cold. We may have had a budget to keep to but he bought players like Beattie, Yakubu, Johnson and Fellaini who were massively more expensive than what most teams could afford. The TV deals means that has all been condensed.

Add to that we were still seen as a big club, so if we were going up against others chances are they'd pick us. All that means if Moyes was just starting out with us now, instead of 5th to 7th we'd be looking at 8th to 14th and he probably wouldn't last more than 3 seasons here.

Everton are so Breguet.

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