David Moyes

[Bluewolf]

Not getting 48 points isn't Dyches fault is it?

Two separate periods of poor form says differently.

If wed of gotten relegated would you all be saying, its okay it wasnt dyches fault we had a points deduction. All hail the ginger messiah!

No you be saying if he'd of won more games in the 4 month period wed of stayed up regardless of the points deduction

 

[ToffeeScot]

Two separate periods of poor form says differently.

If wed of gotten relegated would you all be saying, its okay it wasnt dyches fault we had a points deduction. All hail the ginger messiah!

No you be saying if he'd of won more games in the 4 month period wed of stayed up regardless of the points deduction

We finished 14 points clear of the relegation zone with deductions. 22 points without them. Dyche and the club finished well clear of it despite the mess and poor patch of form.

 

[jerseytoffee]

Okay now show me the actual league table and where we actually ended up instead of one you made to make yourself feel better?

Because like it or not it happened and dyche had 4 months to earn those points back and he didnt.

Actually i wanted silva out but christ hes miles betrer then dyche.

Also lets not forget dyche spent over £40m on attackers and we managed to get to the lofty hights of second lowers scorers in the league

Whether you like it or not Dyche and his team earned 48 points last season, 8 were taken away due to previous decisions the club made that were nothing to do with him.

They also achieved this with the pressures of two points deductions hanging over their heads.

The football wasn't the best, but it was effective and we stayed up which was absolutely necessary for the future of our football club.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the season with the players we've brought in. Dyche wants to play fast paced counter attacking football with Linstrom and Ndaiye brought in so far being players that can fit in to that system and I reckon we'll bring in another pacey winger. That with a strong defence and a hard working team could be exciting.

 

[Delargeinho]

I think hes a terrible manager, but he did get 48 points last season, there is no doubt about that.

A fair judgement can only be made if that is included, was not his fault why we got 8 points less than in the actual table. I was also on the side of him getting sacked after Bournemouth, the board decided against it. Fair enough, I'm not his biggest fan, but he gets my support now as long as he is our manager.

But just hope we won't become overzealous in getting him an immediate extension in case we have a good start into the season.

 

[Victus]

Two separate periods of poor form says differently.

If wed of gotten relegated would you all be saying, its okay it wasnt dyches fault we had a points deduction. All hail the ginger messiah!

No you be saying if he'd of won more games in the 4 month period wed of stayed up regardless of the points deduction

We didn't get relegated though, we stayed up comfortably. You're now making up relegation scenarios to try to prove your points, it's ridiculous.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Two separate periods of poor form says differently.

If wed of gotten relegated would you all be saying, its okay it wasnt dyches fault we had a points deduction. All hail the ginger messiah!

No you be saying if he'd of won more games in the 4 month period wed of stayed up regardless of the points deduction

You've simply misinterpreted that I said it wasn't Dyches fault the premier league deducted points off us. Calm down son.

 

[degsy]

we aren’t getting moylez

end of

Good

 

[Gilbert..]

Two separate periods of poor form says differently.

If wed of gotten relegated would you all be saying, its okay it wasnt dyches fault we had a points deduction. All hail the ginger messiah!

No you be saying if he'd of won more games in the 4 month period wed of stayed up regardless of the points deduction

But it didnt happen. Thats a hyperthetical question that 99% of managers who get relegated would face.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I personally feel like the only argument for him is him having a points deduction is fairly weak.

My point is that the points deduction is nullified by the fact he went 4 months without a win. If hed of won a couple of games in that period hed of gotten the 8pts back.

Also he had two loosing steaks actually one at the start of the season as well.

So you said we were relegation fodder on this day a year ago.

We then got a 10 point deduction, becoming 6, that become 8, and went 4 months without a win - but still comfortably stayed up.

Progress then on the years before him isn't it?

We're still relegation fodder IMO - I'd take 40-48 points next season, now.

All about getting to Bramley Moore under new ownership as a Premier League team

 

[davep]

Haha! Lack of footballing intelligence? For what wanting a manager that broke a 60 year old winless streak (over the course of 4 months) sacked?

"Massively improved league position" finished 2 places higher then the season before with 4 pts difference? That massive to you is it? Absolutely embarrassing

Ill be honest i dont care about the points deduction because thats cancelled out by the 4 months without a win. Dyche could of easily got those points back if he wasn't a poor manager.

We were very lucky with the standard of teams around us last season because in a usual relegation battle we'd of be alot of more points behind the teams around us.

Everyone wanted dyche gone during his 4 months without a win especially after the chelsea game. Anyone saying any different is either lying or a idiot. The only reason i heard why not to sack him was "who do we replace him with". Which is never a reason to keep someone doing a poor job in a job is it.

Now you might be happy bouncing round relegation waiting for our luck to finally run out. But im not i want better from the club i love and i expect better. Dyche is a relegation battler, a manager who only knows how to survive in the PL and while hes here thats all everton will ever be.

im sick an tired of our fans celebrating crap, its pathetic. Look at teams like palace, Fulham, Bournemouth, brentford and Brighton. They shouldn't be anywhere near us in the league and their miles better then us and idiots like you celebrate crap like dyche who is probably the most tactically inept manager ive ever seen in my life.

Look at villa they were below us 18 months ago and they got a top manager in and now look where they are. If you were a villa fan would you be sat there going "wait lads lets give gerrard another season. We got 39 points last season, thats 2 more the the season before".

Football intelligence? You're a joke

I don't care about streaks, I care about results at the end of the season. Nice of you to conveniently "not care" about the points deduction so that you can make some completely idiotic point. Without the deduction we would have been 12th, 5 places and 12 points (that's 33% - pretty massive if you ask me) better than last year. The only person who is "embarrassing" and "a joke" is you.

 

[davep]

The clubs a mess im not denying that but he signed off on spending £25m on beto, he signed off on bringing danjuma in, he refused to play patterson and let young stink out the gaff week on week.

The football has been terrible and the results havent been much better. He can and should of done better last season imo.

Everyone was out for his blood after the Chelsea game then we won the 3 games in a week and then all went oh, were sound now.

The issues with him as a manager are still there and will arise next season. The only way he doesnt get sacked next season for me is if we dont get new owners in.

This time last year (1 year ago today) you described us a relegation fodder.

You was right.

He earned enough points to finish 12th.

Owned.

 

[davep]

But we didnt finish 12th tho did we because we lost points through the points deduction. Points we could easily of gotten back during the 4 months without a win.

So imo the "but we got 48pts" crap is just that crap. As soon as we got hit with the points deduction our reality was we were 10 points worse off.

Then his reaction as a manager was to go and break a 60 year old record for longest winless run.

I do love this werid culture posters have on here to go back such long times to drag up posts. Like people can't change their opinion in that corrisponding time. Personally i think that says alot more about the posters then the ones being quoted

Well it's not really is it. We were "10 points worse off" [8 in the end], and got to 40 points. 40+8=48, so the only think that's crap is your opinion.

And no, it really does say a lot more about the person being quoted, especially in this case.

Okay now show me the actual league table and where we actually ended up instead of one you made to make yourself feel better?

Because like it or not it happened and dyche had 4 months to earn those points back and he didnt.

Actually i wanted silva out but christ hes miles betrer then dyche.

Also lets not forget dyche spent over £40m on attackers and we managed to get to the lofty hights of second lowers scorers in the league

No-ones making anything up, those are the points we earned from the results we got. No-ones fabricated that win against the RS, that actually happened, same as Notts Forest, Brentford, Chelsea, Newcastle. They're all real results and they all count.

 

[NathDogg]

No one taking a chance in dour Davey then, not surprising really.

Hammers definitely upgraded with lopetegui.

 

[Mr Happy]

No one taking a chance in dour Davey then, not surprising really.

Hammers definitely upgraded with lopetegui.

Guarantee Moyes will have won more than Lopetegui by the time he finishes with them though.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Dyche is a dreadful manager imho (as most know my opinion) but credit where it's due for getting decent points, which was an achievement.
The 4 months of utter turd is also an achievement, of the worst kind, if we have to be fair with praise and criticism.

He will never kick on however and he will remain dreadful.

That said, Wolfman here is really up against it if even I don't agree with him here, isn't he?