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2024/25 David Moyes

i began following Everton in 2003/2004 and grew up watching Moyes as the epitomy of Everton and the values he entrenched. I saw the shrewdness in talent acquisition, pragmatic approches which were necessary from 2004 to 2007 but then next 4 years I wanted him to trust his experience and try to have a bit more go, when he had the Cahills/Pienaars/Artetas/AJ/Yak/young Vic/Baines/Coleman in their peak.

For me Moyes peaked between 2006 to 2009 as a manager but he never evolved fron being a solid B grade manager. He used his peak to get a deserved shot at Utd but got found out and he has gone back trying to prove himself that solid B grade manager he always was. Solid B for us over next 2 years would be equivalent of A+. My only worry is that impatience would kick in as soon as (and IF) TFG make us a top half steady team. Even if Moyes' wheels fall off after some time, I would like Everton to not ruin his 1st stint reputation by sacking him in a disrespectful manner.

I still don't like the fact there has been no official word from Everton to thank Dyche for the respectable work (for most part of 2 years) he did.
 
Nymzee said:
I asked why you didn't want him sacked, not if you thought he would be, I never saw you on here championing for him to go.
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Because you'd have to be an idiot to think he was being sacked under Moshiri/pending new owners.

I said repeatedly on here that Dyche isn't going anywhere until there's new owners.

His first defeat under new owners, now that we could, I was posting saying the owners need to sack him - especially when he was saying players weren't listening.

This team is terrible, small margins in a relegation fight and you couldn't have a manager on his way to the noose, managing a squad who half aren't invested in next season - and wonder why his shoulders are drooped. He had to go.

If TFG felt Moyes was the best man for the future, he should have been in day 1. Evidently, they dont and want someone who is only willing to come in the summer. I hope they stick with their plan.

As I said as long ago as August;

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Like nostradamus, me.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Because you'd have to be an idiot to think he was being sacked under Moshiri/pending new owners.

I said repeatedly on here that Dyche isn't going anywhere until there's new owners.

His first defeat under new owners, now that we could, I was posting saying the owners need to sack him - especially when he was saying players weren't listening.

This team is terrible, small margins in a relegation fight and you couldn't have a manager on his way to the noose, managing a squad who half aren't invested in next season - and wonder why his shoulders are drooped. He had to go.

If TFG felt Moyes was the best man for the future, he should have been in day 1. Evidently, they dont and want someone who is only willing to come in the summer. I hope they stick with their plan.

As I said as long ago as August;

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...again, avoiding the very basic question I'm asking, did you want him sacked in the Summer?
 
Nymzee said:
...again, avoiding the very basic question I'm asking, did you want him sacked in the Summer?
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I did, but to be more simple for you.

Last summer? No.

Once we had new owners/PSR issues resolved. Yes.

This season has always been about getting over the line a Premier League team, to the summer under new owners, PSR restrictions eased and a new stadium.
 

Nymzee said:
Okay so you didn't want Dyche sacked for finishing effectively 11th, but would want Moyes sacked if he finishes 11th.

That's all I was looking for. Carry on.
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OK, I will.

Last summer we couldn't attract the level of manager we want because managers aren't coming with 0 to spend, and ownership pending. Managers don't line up to join clubs knowing a new owner is months away.

Everton this summer, under new owners, with PSR eased and new stadium a world away from last summer.

Last summer our shortlist mirrored that of what we had in the past when we've went Benitez, Lampard, Dyche.

This summer, we're a significantly more attractive proposition and should be bringing in a level of manager who can really progress us. That's not Moyes, based on my opinion of 20+ years, not over a handful of games Jan-May.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
I've formed my opinion on David Moyes over 20+ years. I'm not going to change it in a week because it suits.

Or kneejerk based on a handful of results between January and May.

As I say, TFG don't believe he's the best man for us either. They wanted someone else who was in a job at the end of the season.

They should Ranieri him. Often said over the years I'd have him in a DOF type roll. He's good at recruitment and I like how he generally character assesses.

For too long, we've been firefighting and hiring managers when backs against the wall mid season, and then lingering with them.

If we had stable ownership, we should have sacked Lampard after C.Palace when he didn't improve us on Benitez. We should have sacked Dyche after Bournemouth.

Now we have that ownership, I hope they can find us a manager we can really build from. Moyes is never that manager.
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Except he has the best track record of building a club in the premier league of all current managers having done it on multiple occasions with different clubs.
 
Kevsleftpeg said:
Except he has the best track record of building a club in the premier league of all current managers having done it on multiple occasions with different clubs.
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Each to their own mate. Shared a view here;

GrandOldTeam said:
On Moyes, I've often said of his tenure here that if I could go back in time and be told the 11 years we had under him would I take it, I'd have said no.

I'd say the same now, I wouldn't sign up for another 11 years of what he delivered before.

Sure, it's better than now. A lot better.

But you've got to have some hope in football.

I've spent years preaching pragmatism and having to take our medicine - but all that was on knowing we had a new stadium coming, with new owners and new manager to give us a real jolt in the right direction from the summer. Better times were coming, we just had to get through.

For us to go back to Moyes on a 2.5 year contract, and heralding his 11 years of 'success' - if that's success, then what's the point?

I think we of all clubs can be a little entitled for once - and it feels like we've just kicked the can further down the road.

I just hope we have someone lined up in the summer who can unite the fans, and bring us some hope.
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GrandOldTeam said:
OK, I will.

Last summer we couldn't attract the level of manager we want because managers aren't coming with 0 to spend, and ownership pending. Managers don't line up to join clubs knowing a new owner is months away.

Everton this summer, under new owners, with PSR eased and new stadium a world away from last summer.

Last summer our shortlist mirrored that of what we had in the past when we've went Benitez, Lampard, Dyche.

This summer, we're a significantly more attractive proposition and should be bringing in a level of manager who can really progress us. That's not Moyes, based on my opinion of 20+ years, not over a handful of games Jan-May.
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It’s almost as if context matters….
 

GrandOldTeam said:
Because you'd have to be an idiot to think he was being sacked under Moshiri/pending new owners.

I said repeatedly on here that Dyche isn't going anywhere until there's new owners.

His first defeat under new owners, now that we could, I was posting saying the owners need to sack him - especially when he was saying players weren't listening.

This team is terrible, small margins in a relegation fight and you couldn't have a manager on his way to the noose, managing a squad who half aren't invested in next season - and wonder why his shoulders are drooped. He had to go.

If TFG felt Moyes was the best man for the future, he should have been in day 1. Evidently, they dont and want someone who is only willing to come in the summer. I hope they stick with their plan.

As I said as long ago as August;

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Like nostradamus, me.
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Bearded, with a daft hat, and communicating from the next world?
 
GrandOldTeam said:
OK, I will.

Last summer we couldn't attract the level of manager we want because managers aren't coming with 0 to spend, and ownership pending. Managers don't line up to join clubs knowing a new owner is months away.

Everton this summer, under new owners, with PSR eased and new stadium a world away from last summer.

Last summer our shortlist mirrored that of what we had in the past when we've went Benitez, Lampard, Dyche.

This summer, we're a significantly more attractive proposition and should be bringing in a level of manager who can really progress us. That's not Moyes, based on my opinion of 20+ years, not over a handful of games Jan-May.
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We have tried numerous different managers (some flavour of the month managers some champions league winners) since Moyes nearly of whom have either started from a much better position than he did or had considerably bigger budgets. None of them have got anywhere near to outperforming him. Hiring a new manager is always a massive risk. It's even more hit and miss than buying a striker. I'd sooner go with a known quantity.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Because you'd have to be an idiot to think he was being sacked under Moshiri/pending new owners.

I said repeatedly on here that Dyche isn't going anywhere until there's new owners.

His first defeat under new owners, now that we could, I was posting saying the owners need to sack him - especially when he was saying players weren't listening.

This team is terrible, small margins in a relegation fight and you couldn't have a manager on his way to the noose, managing a squad who half aren't invested in next season - and wonder why his shoulders are drooped. He had to go.

If TFG felt Moyes was the best man for the future, he should have been in day 1. Evidently, they dont and want someone who is only willing to come in the summer. I hope they stick with their plan.

As I said as long ago as August;

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Like nostradamus, me.
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I don't understand this bit, when was day 1 for TFG? The takeover was only completed mid-December so we're pretty close to day 1 no?
 
yakublue said:
I don't understand this bit, when was day 1 for TFG? The takeover was only completed mid-December so we're pretty close to day 1 no?
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Get your point, but they said they wanted Dyche until the end of the season. Credible reports claimed who they wanted was in a job/wouldn't come until the summer.

If Dyche beat Forest/Bournemouth - he's still in a job isn't he? Despite him definitely being lashed at the end of the season. Even after sacking him they've been telling media friendly folk they had no choice as he'd lost his belief he could improve us.

The point is then they wouldn't have kept Dyche and sacked him day 1 if they felt Moyes, who was available, was the best long term choice.
 

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