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2024/25 David Moyes

chippy1722 said:
His touch is a hundred times better than Beto and he’s been retired a good few years, absolutely no excuse for a professional footballer to not have a good first touch.
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Baines's first touch would be superior to the vast majority of our current squad's.

Had he a more bloody-minded character, he could have been one of the world's great full-backs. As it was, he was merely excellent for us (mainly in attack). And we were fortunate to be able to keep him as a result.

I have a few abiding memories of him: his magnificent reliability from the dead ball, particularly penalties. And his decision to put the ball out for an Arsenal throw because an opponent was down "injured" as we trailed late in the game on the verge of a cup exit. Some might say he was a sportsman - but I was livid as I felt it summed up a softness in our overall attitude as a team. There is simply no way Arsenal would have done that for us in the same losing position.
 
TrueBlue78 said:
I agree, but theres an interesting point in this. Do you think its a coincidence that everyone after Moyes tends to go down hill, irrespective of club?
Moyes has historically ran his clubs as a dictatorship, hes the single point of failure so when he goes so does all that knowledge and experience, and I dont think its a coincidence that teams subsequently do bad. He was appointed by SAF as he saw comparable traits to himself at United, and just look at the state they are in as they didnt adapt to a more strategic approach earlier. I firmly believe we need to empower our DoF more, and Moyes contributes to that, not Moyes runs rule over everything, which is what he did previously. I want to look at how we will continue to grow, what our strategy will be and our succession planning as thats and area we have failed to address imo
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Suggestion that Moyes, who spent half a season in Manchester, has ruined SAF's legacy for decades to come is a bit off mate.
And he left Everton much better than he found it.
 
TrueBlue78 said:
I agree, but theres an interesting point in this. Do you think its a coincidence that everyone after Moyes tends to go down hill, irrespective of club?
Moyes has historically ran his clubs as a dictatorship, hes the single point of failure so when he goes so does all that knowledge and experience, and I dont think its a coincidence that teams subsequently do bad. He was appointed by SAF as he saw comparable traits to himself at United, and just look at the state they are in as they didnt adapt to a more strategic approach earlier. I firmly believe we need to empower our DoF more, and Moyes contributes to that, not Moyes runs rule over everything, which is what he did previously. I want to look at how we will continue to grow, what our strategy will be and our succession planning as thats and area we have failed to address imo
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Maybe he's a good manager and they are hard to find?
 

Drico said:
I said as much the other day. He might be well suited to the DoF role. I think we'll soon get fed up with his self-imposed glass ceiling within 18 months, so it might be in everyone's interest if he moved upstairs before we chase him out.
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I hate this line of argument. It smacks of a spoilt child. The glass ceiling is imposed by our lack of finances.
 
Kevsleftpeg said:
I hate this line of argument. It smacks of a spoilt child. The glass ceiling is imposed by our lack of finances.
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The same lack of finances that didn't prevent Martinez playing far better, more exciting football with almost the same side a year afterwards? Moyes is a better manager than Martinez, but he hasn't an ounce of the fantasy. He limits himself.
 
Drico said:
Baines's first touch would be superior to the vast majority of our current squad's.

Had he a more bloody-minded character, he could have been one of the world's great full-backs. As it was, he was merely excellent for us (mainly in attack). And we were fortunate to be able to keep him as a result.

I have a few abiding memories of him: his magnificent reliability from the dead ball, particularly penalties. And his decision to put the ball out for an Arsenal throw because an opponent was down "injured" as we trailed late in the game on the verge of a cup exit. Some might say he was a sportsman - but I was livid as I felt it summed up a softness in our overall attitude as a team. There is simply no way Arsenal would have done that for us in the same losing position.
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Aye. We were soft as sh**e back then.
 
brieverton said:
I can't be certain here but I think it's Brian Walker, Vice-President of Strategy for TFG.

The same man had a lead role in the approvals process and the transition of ownership. He was their man on the ground in the weeks prior.

I'm actually quite surprised that he wasn't named as a director given the role he played, and still seems to have, in speaking with Moyes. Perhaps TFG really rate him and want to keep him in Houston.
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given you said he is in Houston, I am guessing he wasn’t the fella in the trackie going round with Moyes and Thelwell?

It wasn’t Billy McKinley. This was a bigger fella but he seemed to be leading the tour with Thelwell
 

Drico said:
The same lack of finances that didn't prevent Martinez playing far better, more exciting football with almost the same side a year afterwards? Moyes is a better manager than Martinez, but he hasn't an ounce of the fantasy. He limits himself.
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Martinez's single masterstroke was Lukaku.
Everton weren't going great at start of season until he arrived on deadline day with 3 draws (two 0-0s) plus Stevenage taking us to ET in LC.
His subsequent forward signings were poor.
 

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