2024/25 David Moyes

[sbbefc]

Youre portraying it like the manager was the bottleneck. Far from it. Moyes surely would have won stuff with that team if he only had got financial backing to compete. We had a great first 15 but no strength in depth and big holes in certain positions.

Exactly this. We had some great players but also the likes of Hibbo and Neville regularly playing. When someone like Coleman came in and started playing first team football another gap elsewhere would appear and it seemed to be that way throughout his tenure.

Moyes was a very good manager with the resources he had. Defensive (but nowhere near as defensive as Dyche). Hard to beat and we had some good cup runs and regular European football. I didn't mind the football.

Would he have won something with a bigger budget? I think probably. Maybe a league cup or even the Europea league (we did look good in that Fiorentina season) . But I don't think he's top tier. I don't think he would have won much more than that.

 

[Lobworm]

Remember a game at Chelsea where John Terry fouled Phil Neville,he gets up and asks the ref not to book him,shake of hands and all good...Second half Neville fouls a Chelsea player and Terry is in the refs face demanding he is booked.......priceless

Stuff like that surprised me with Neville, considering where he'd played before and the sort of stuff they got away with.

 

[murphy89]

And also added Gareth Barry, James McCarthy, Ross Barkley, John Stones and Deulofeu. He changed virtually half the team, far from just adding Lukaku.

Other than Gareth Barry, I wouldn’t say any of them walked into the side the season before. What I would agree with is that he benefited from a number of players having their break through seasons.

Disitin and Jags were still the first choice pairing that first season under Martinez.

Ross Barkley has his real break through season. I suppose there is an argument for him but he replaced Fellaini who was so important in the Moyes side.

Mccarthy was fantastic under Martinez but again not sure he would have brought anything above what we had the season before.

Deulofeu only started 9 games for Martinez.

I’m not disputing the above players impact but Lukaku was the main game changer for me!

 

[Marius57]

People always says this but the Everton side in Moyes’ final season played some fantastic football and finished on 62 points.

Martinez came in, built on that Moyes side by adding Lukaku. The world class striker Moyes was always searching for.

I do agree that Martinez played more exciting football. But it wasn’t far better and was actually the result of the platform Moyes had built and adding an 15 goal a seasons striker.

Moyes had a higher xG in that last season than Martinez did his season.

 

[Marius57]

Can’t agree with this .
But I think it’s subjective.
I wasn’t a great fan of Martinez but he was a far braver manager than Moyes will ever be.
Moyes is a defensive .risk averse ,manager .
There is a reason his teams always stumbled at decisive moments and games however well they had been playing beforehand.
In my opinion there is a lot of revisionism concerning the Moyes era at the moment.
He built good workmanlike teams , and for a period we held the slightly risible and spurious title of ‘best of the rest’ . But by the time he departed other teams were overtaking us with bolder more aggressive tactics.
Judging by his efficient but limited W. Ham sides I don’t think his ethos has notably evolved in his travels .

We finished 7th, 7th and then 6th in his last three seasons. The only team outside the “big 6” to finish ahead of us in that time was Newcastle, once.

So not really sure other teams were overtaking us.

 

[Neiler]

And also added Gareth Barry, James McCarthy, Ross Barkley, John Stones and Deulofeu. He changed virtually half the team, far from just adding Lukaku.

Moyes signed Stones mate and gave Barkley his debut.

 

[Drico]

People always says this but the Everton side in Moyes’ final season played some fantastic football and finished on 62 points.

Martinez came in, built on that Moyes side by adding Lukaku. The world class striker Moyes was always searching for.

I do agree that Martinez played more exciting football. But it wasn’t far better and was actually the result of the platform Moyes had built and adding an 15 goal a seasons striker.

Moyes gets great credit for doing 90% of the work of building that side. But the point is: his utter lack of fantasy and bravery in big games was shown up the following season by the kamikaze ideologue Martinez - an inferior manager, but one who wasn't scared to gamble.

 

[Marius57]

Moyes gets great credit for doing 90% of the work of building that side. But the point is: his utter lack of fantasy and bravery in big games was shown up the following season by the kamikaze ideologue Martinez - an inferior manager, but one who wasn't scared to gamble.

And yet we still won eff all and have gone backwards ever since.

 

[Gucci_Suit]

Great fun under Moyes at least back in the day. Never had that striker, but could always find a way to be competitive and get goals from mid-field strategy. As for Martinez, yes, things went downhill and he was “found out” but I’d submit that any manager will fail with the lack of investment and lack of accountability from the top. It’s been an impossible job since.

On another note- Moyes is the only top flight manager I’ve ever actually met. He stayed at my hotel in Johannesburg during the 2010 WC. I saw him in the parking lot and just walked up and introduced myself (which I never do with celebs) and he was fantastic. Next morning my wife called me from the lobby and said that she was sitting at the breakfast table with “that soccer coach that you like” and I could hear his Scottish voice the background. I hopped out of bed and went down there to have eggs Benedict with Moyes and talk about world football. He’s a great conversation and a really solid dude. Glad he’s back.

 

[matty1878]

And yet we still won eff all and have gone backwards ever since.

 

[scratchnsurf]

Does anyone know who the “Brian” is that Moyes spoke about during his presser? I presumed it’s someone from TFG but no surname was given so can’t be sure.

It could be the fella showing them round Finch Farm in a track or along with Thelwell but I didn’t recognise him to be honest

I'm Brian and so is my wife.

 

[The Littlest Yobo]

Moyes signed Stones mate and gave Barkley his debut.

He barely played Barkley and Stones never played at all as he was his last signing. Point is, Martinez didn’t just add Lukaku to Moyes’s team. Martinez virtually changed the entire midfield.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Er, no.

Like I said , it’s subjective.
It isn’t right or wrong.
It’s just a personal view .
Personally I don’t rate him or his football .
You obviously do.
Which is fair enough.

 

[Neiler]

He barely played Barkley and Stones never played at all as he was his last signing. Point is, Martinez didn’t just add Lukaku to Moyes’s team. Martinez virtually changed the entire midfield.

If my memory is right he had to Phil Neville retired and we sold Mofro.

Fair point though.

Lukaku, McCarthy and Barry were gold. Arguably Del, but he was more cult hero.

He brought in a load it tat as well that year Kone, Alcaraz, McGeady came in on loan later as did Traore who got broke up.

Hard to think of a good signing beyond Rom, McCarthy and Barry, actually got worse season on season, he actually wasted a fair bit of money looking back.

Martinez ruined Barkley here in my opinion.

I remember Stones was getting absolute rave reviews coming out of the academy in Moyes last year - as in “future England captain” was being talked about on here. Fair point though Martinez brought him into the team, think he also signed Holgate!

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

And yet we still won eff all and have gone backwards ever since.

And we won nothing with Moyes .
But he had 11 years .
But the truth is even disregarding Moyes and Martinez , we have had nothing to celebrate for nearly three decades now .
I remember the dismay when we hadn’t won
anything for 15 years before Kendall brought salvation .
Ultimately we are rightly regarded nowadays as one of the most nondescript clubs in the country and I harbour little hope of that state ending soon with this appointment,
But there is the beer .