2022/23 Dele Alli

[JLW]

It really is that simple - if he plays six games and we think he’s good then we pay for another 20, if not, we lost nothing because we’re paying his wages anyway whether he kicks a ball or not

Put it this way if he gets back to 70% of the player he was then he is head and shoulders our best player.

We all thought he couldn't be arsed no more until he went public with his awful issues, the fact that he done that tells us that he's in a good place mentally which was the problem.

His ability was never in question, when fit he must be in our starting 11.
10 mil nowadays gets you players who have never kicked a ball at this level, its pittance in the current market.

 

[Eggs]

Equally You could argue likewise for a place on the board mate, with the management of assets and investment - if your happy for an asset who could add value to sit around and not contribute.

Its not the reality really, its your opinion of an assumed reality, you cant liken it to a loan - hes here - we're committed its not discretionary we already pay 5 million - we need an attacking midfielder do we bring another + him - is that cost effective.....

We pay about 10 million in sacked managers and staff annually, we gave 3 directors £7.5 mill, in a golden handshake recently - will likely be a cool 10 mill when Bill goes. You can be as frugal as you like - but comparatively if Dele is deemed by the management team as being able to influence our results positively over a season - its a better use of money then anything else we can attract in the market for that money or in sacking managers or paying off the board. NEA.

I dont even understand why people get worked up about it - no one blinks an eye when managers are sacked, we sell a player at a loss or a free or we pay of the board - all are similar draws on our finances - 10's of multi millions. For some reason this 10 mill gets people worked up when other things are far more valid. I mean Yerry Mina, took 12 mill out of the club last season for about what 6-7 games. Gomes 10 mill for none. Gbamin about 8 mill. etc. Im not going to stress about 10 mill for Alli if hes good enough to play 7 games for us and if he is - wel have a player.

…..it’s risk management. It’s a few years since I retired from Project Management but I’m sure a few on here have sat through hours of boring risk assessment meetings and will know the Delli Alli risk scores.

We are critical of how our club is run. Engaging Alli has cost us dearly, throwing more millions at him exacerbates the mistake. Throwing monies away paying off poor Managers is symptomatic of dreadful club governance and shouldn’t be used as a reason to waste similar on Alli.

The lad might return to his glory days, but he’s played very little football in over 2 seasons. Notwithstanding his personal issues and the risk of relapse, the sensible business decision has to be cutting our losses rather than Chuck £10m at him and cross our fingers. I’d much prefer to spend that on the young S American we’ve been linked with.

 

[Goat]

For 45 minutes against Palace, Dele Alli put in a better performance than many of our midfielders while he was midway through a drug induced snooze.

Give the boy a chance.

If we continue to rely on Doucoure as our creative midfielder, it will cost us a hell of a lot more than £20m

I cant understand it me, we have Donkoree and Iwobi in midfield and people turning their noses up at Dele Alli.

I cant breathe.

 

[MikeH72]

I cant understand it me, we have Donkoree and Iwobi in midfield and people turning their noses up at Dele Alli.

I cant breathe.

Besiktas turned their noses up at him last season too.

I know it’s banging my head against a brick wall trying to explain it to people, but the year is not 2017 anymore. Dele Alli has not been the player he was back then for a very, very, VERY long time.

 

[JLW]

…..it’s risk management. It’s a few years since I retired from Project Management but I’m sure a few on here have sat through hours of boring risk assessment meetings and will know the Delli Alli risk scores.

We are critical of how our club is run. Engaging Alli has cost us dearly, throwing more millions at him exacerbates the mistake. Throwing monies away paying off poor Managers is symptomatic of dreadful club governance and shouldn’t be used as a reason to waste similar on Alli.

The lad might return to his glory days, but he’s played very little football in over 2 seasons. Notwithstanding his personal issues and the risk of relapse, the sensible business decision has to be cutting our losses.

Its a risk-reward situation, imo its very low risk (at the price) and potentially huge rewards if he gets back to his best.

He doesnt even have to get back to his best he just has to improve us as a team and im certain he will do if given the chance.

 

[Goat]

…..it’s risk management. It’s a few years since I retired from Project Management but I’m sure a few on here have sat through hours of boring risk assessment meetings and will know the Delli Alli risk scores.

We are critical of how our club is run. Engaging Alli has cost us dearly, throwing more millions at him exacerbates the mistake. Throwing monies away paying off poor Managers is symptomatic of dreadful club governance and shouldn’t be used as a reason to waste similar on Alli.

The lad might return to his glory days, but he’s played very little football in over 2 seasons. Notwithstanding his personal issues and the risk of relapse, the sensible business decision has to be cutting our losses rather than Chuck £10m at him and cross our fingers.

I honestly cant take anything you post seriously after you claimed Leon Osman was a World Class talent.


Soz.

 

[Goat]

Besiktas turned their noses up at him last season too.

I know it’s banging my head against a brick wall trying to explain it to people, but the year is not 2017 anymore. Dele Alli has not been the player he was back then for a very, very, VERY long time.

Maybe hes worked out the magic dose?

 

[cjuk87]

Besiktas turned their noses up at him last season too.

I know it’s banging my head against a brick wall trying to explain it to people, but the year is not 2017 anymore. Dele Alli has not been the player he was back then for a very, very, VERY long time.

The big question is, is 2023 Dele better than our current options. Literally none of us know how he's going to perform now he's had support. He could go back to his best, he could continue to decline. I can't ever remember a situation like this and literally no-one, including Dele and Everton know how he's going to perform.

I do agree with your point to an extent though. It's tiresome to see people constantly talk about players, like we can decide which version we get.

Fans begging for Barkley 2015 and Lukaku 2016 to come back. The amount of positive talk I've seen about Barkley is hilarious.

 

[Eggs]

I honestly cant take anything you post seriously after you claimed Leon Osman was a World Class talent.


Soz.

….ha, ha, please find me that post.

I’ve posted many times that I’ve seen 3 world class players since 1963 playing for Everton. There are a few on the fringes that I could be persuaded to consider but Leon Osman is definitely not one of them.

I do rate him highly, though, for reasons I’ve explained lots elsewhere on here. A procession of Everton managers have clearly thought similar and indeed one England manager so I’m happy with my opinion of him.

 

[Billy Dean]

If he plays i think 7 more games we activate the 10mil, play him 6 times and see how he goes it might be the best 10 mil we've ever spent.

I think its a win win with him.

I don't understand what the fume is about. If he can physically and mentally get into a state where he can play premier league football, then give him 6 games and see how it goes.

 

[Jacko93]

…..it’s risk management. It’s a few years since I retired from Project Management but I’m sure a few on here have sat through hours of boring risk assessment meetings and will know the Delli Alli risk scores.

We are critical of how our club is run. Engaging Alli has cost us dearly, throwing more millions at him exacerbates the mistake. Throwing monies away paying off poor Managers is symptomatic of dreadful club governance and shouldn’t be used as a reason to waste similar on Alli.

The lad might return to his glory days, but he’s played very little football in over 2 seasons. Notwithstanding his personal issues and the risk of relapse, the sensible business decision has to be cutting our losses rather than Chuck £10m at him and cross our fingers.

He's contracted to us anyway, so we pay his wages until that is no longer the case. Are you suggesting that rather than give him the opportunity to prove himself, you would have him sitting in a flat in Manchester for another 12 months picking up a wage? effectively on Gardening leave?

Dele's risk profile was much higher when the underlying issues weren't known. I'd feel much more comfortable with any further spend now that we have all the facts to hand.

There will be no 'crossing our fingers', or at least no more than with any other players that we buy from now until eternity. Every player that you bring in comes with their own risks, the difference is, Dele's are now known and can therefore be managed better.

I've know loads of Project managers who have thrown away money saving opportunities because they simply couldn't be bothered with the initial hard work required.

Is it a risk? Absolutely, a manageable one. But spending that £20m on some kid from Wherever FC who will come in on additional wages and are only ever 1 tackle away from being completely ineffective is also a risk, with worse potential monetary losses than making use of Dele.

 

[Goat]

….ha, ha, please find me that post.

I’ve posted many times that I’ve seen 3 world class players since 1963 playing for Everton. There are a few on the fringes that I could be persuaded to consider but Leon Osman is definitely not one of them.

I do rate him highly, though, for reasons I’ve explained lots elsewhere on here. A procession of Everton managers have clearly thought similar and indeed one England manager so I’m happy with my opinion of him.

Oh right, then you must REALLY rate Michael Keane?

 

[Eggs]

Oh right, then you must REALLY rate Michael Keane?

…I definitely rate him, Goat. As posted over the years, I rate him very poorly

 

[witchdoc187]

He's completely finished. Why people refuse to see this is beyond me. He was finished at spurs that's before he missed the last two seasons

I wish him all the best but he's never gonna play for us and he's never gonna suddenly be the player he was a few years ago.

 

[MikeH72]

The big question is, is 2023 Dele better than our current options. Literally none of us know how he's going to perform now he's had support. He could go back to his best, he could continue to decline. I can't ever remember a situation like this and literally no-one, including Dele and Everton know how he's going to perform.

I do agree with your point to an extent though. It's tiresome to see people constantly talk about players, like we can decide which version we get.

Fans begging for Barkley 2015 and Lukaku 2016 to come back. The amount of positive talk I've seen about Barkley is hilarious.

Some of our fans would genuinely be happy if we reunited the Barkley, Lukaku and Deulofeu triumvirate this year as if the clock is suddenly going to rewind to 2013/14. We have a terrible terrible problem letting go of the past in this fanbase.