Blue peter
Player Valuation: £35m
Also the guy at Man City (whose name I can’t spell)
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Do we need a DOF?
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Terrarian
Player Valuation: £50m
Bill K for you, did the negotiations I think after moyes identified a player. Looks like giving him money turned him into the fat kid at the cake shop though
Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £50m
Moyes had quite a few scouts here at the time when he was manager, think we had 11/12 at one point which was a lot back then (it's not now)Bill K for you, did the negotiations I think after moyes identified a player. Looks like giving him money turned him into the fat kid at the cake shop though
So the question is, why does it work for some clubs, yet not others? Surely, the logical interpretation is whether the club’s structure allows it to succeed.
Ours hasn’t, and likely still does not. You have to bit into a distributed leadership model, but also have staff with a clear remit and this is adhered to.
I’d suggest we don’t for the first, and likely haven’t got the second, or there are individuals within the top echelons who regularly undermine the structure.
Because the clubs it doesn't work for either get not good enough recruitment or don't have that clear a vision for the future (or as in our case - the owner(s) meddle too much in business that's not theirs to meddle in). Sometimes it's a mid-tier affair itself, but that's down to teams/situations/finances etc.
Hopefully Kopite Kev changes that, but it's a hard mission.
Same as the guy at Utd, but he started off well - hired ETH, sold/removed some players, got players and staff in to help ETH, giving him all the tools he will need to start the path to success and stability. No doubt he would have a target if this doesn't work out in a year or two. Basically what's supposed to happen.
With us though, Fat Bill decides he wants a championship tier player for 30m and uses other's money to get him, the owner has some bizarre connections with agents and has to appease them, etc. etc.
Or you’re looking at competency mate, just because you have a DOF, doesn’t mean they are a good one.
Or that we're a competent organisation that knows what it wants from the DOF.
Governance helps, but I wouldn’t be writing everything off or down to that, there are clearly areas under remit as I’ve said without board interference that lack coherence , progression, improvement and have disimproved, it’s unproductive to put everything down to governance, though clearly a variable on some aspects.
You simply don't know enough about Everton to be able to decide which part of each job role is impacted by incompetance from owner/chairman/board. None of us do.
I get that. But, if we've had three DoFs who’ve not prospered (two clearly, one the jury is still out) then again it begs the question, why? What's curtailed them?
Either the structure at the club hasn't allowed them to succeed, or the appointments in the first place were wrong. Two or three poor appointments is who's fault?
Either way, the final accountability shifts upwards for why the model we've reportedly tried to implement hasn't worked, be that Moshiri, Kenwrong or whoever.
As I said earlier, I'm not giving them (DoFs) a free pass as they have to shoulder some of the blame, but objectively the crux of the problem appears to be higher up.
The club has been dysfunctional, from top to bottom, for years now. So many people who've left have alluded to it, and the evidence on and off the field is obvious.
So far up until Thelwell we've hired fancy famous names as DoF and given them absolutely nothing to work with and they quit. It will never work if their actions are held and dismissed at nearly every step, or if the board themselves don't know what they want. When we hired Lampard the fans had to decide who the manager should be, as the board were sucking their thumbs and feuding with eachother as we were sinking.
It will not work for Kev if we also don't let him actually do his job and he'll be scapegoated, which is already happening, even though he's 100% not helping himself on this front as well.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
So it's not good then.
Brands was known for wanting a model of buying younger talent, nurturing it and building for the future with sell on value. This is akin to PSV, Ajax, Brighton etc.
After Silva went, Carlo came in and brought in older players, on higher wales and with no sell-on value. Now, I'm not discussing or discrediting Carlo here...
... but, as a DoF this must undermine the whole long-term plan you have, if responsibility for transfers and talent is split with others, or you're simply overruled.
What was the long term plan? We already know Moshiri had form for meddling in transfers, and we know that Bill liked to have his mucky fingers in negotiations.
So, was it ever going to work? Again, I ain't saying Brands was blameless, far from it, but I perceive that the situation was probably chaotic, at best.
Yes, just you have to make sure whomever it is is good and has workable, competant plans. And that the owner will always back them over a manager (or what BK wants).
DoFs are in place mostly to keep a sense of continuity at the club. If a manager leaves it throws a club into proper turmoil, Ancelotti case in point. It happened with Koeman as well. In both cases this was due to the DoFs being and/or rubbish or limited in their power.
DoFs are in place mostly to keep a sense of continuity at the club. If a manager leaves it throws a club into proper turmoil, Ancelotti case in point. It happened with Koeman as well. In both cases this was due to the DoFs being and/or rubbish or limited in their power.
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