MisterJ
Player Valuation: £25m
Yawn
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chrismpw
Player Valuation: £70m
Call me old fashioned but i disagree. The very best managers of the past spotted and collected their own players. If there were to be a dof I would expect him /her/it to just handle the paperwork and look after the players insomuch as finding accommodation etc.
Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £50m
The DoF is not just about recruitment, they are just responsible for the scouts and data people within the recruitment team. They are also responsible for the medical team, the coaches, the academy, the performance analysts and data people and a lot more than that. The game has changed an awful lot in the last 10-15 years and nobody in charge of a first team squad also has the time to take on all of that other stuff. If they do then they are neglecting duties imo. Also the old skool manager types are being phased out of the game and the likes of Dyche and Moyes are few and far between these days. Most teams now have much more of a coach type in charge now who just wants to be on the training ground with the players trying to develop and improve them and working on tactics. Anyone working at our club whether it's a manager or DoF will eventually fall foul of those 2 idiots upstairs hence they need to leave so I don't think it really matters what setup we have at the moment tbh.
chrismpw
Player Valuation: £70m
I'm not a fan of the data analytics led game. In fact it's turned me off. Watching players make endless safe passes so their stats look good and they stay in a turgid team. No thanks.
I think the top teams are top not because of data analysis or stats, but because they have a fatter cheque book. Its a simple game shrouded in a mystical gas of bubbles from which hangers on collect money from the trough.
I am of the opinion that the manager and his team get the players they want. 100% should be managers choice. If we have a DoF then they should only suggest players
No they didn't though? They got players recommended by trusted people (scouts, etc.) or by closer people and other managers.
chrismpw
Player Valuation: £70m
Well yes - scouts did the filtering out and recommending, but the manager takes responsibility for their own decision.
Imagine being sacked for the decsions of your line manager not giving you the right tools for the job.
Again, not what DoF does. It's currently what Kenwrong does.
DoF - find players that will fit the system and manager, either upcoming or first team depends on what the manager wants. Get the manager the tools to do his job, while he can focus on doing his job. Sort out contracts, sort out outgoing transfers (i.e. Dyche says he wants player X out - he tries to find a team), delegate the rest to others, etc.
Why do people think the DoF (technical/sporting director) is like a second manager?!
I mean it's mostly because of directors/owners wanting to stick their finger in those dealings for literally no reason.
Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £50m
It's merely just a tool like many others and is used as such, it also gives a way to clubs of actually being able to track players on how they performing/improving/not doing enough, as someone with a science background I would have thought you would realise that the "eye test" really isn't an acceptable resource at this level of the game, you need a bit more than that. I do agree that some of the younger generation of fans now seem to think the game is played on paper and want to quote endless numbers/stats but most of the time they fail to take into account the flaws and variables concerned with those stats. The fatter cheque book is an easy excuse for lazy clubs tbh. Look at clubs like Brentford and Brighton, they have shown that with small budgets and good use of data and recruitment over a period of time you can build a decent team/club. Look at Napoli in Italy, shown very similar and they have possibly the 2 most sought after players in football in Osimhen and Kvaratskhelia and will probably go on and win Serie A and the Champions League.
The only bubble is the one a lot of our fanbase want to stay living in as the rest of the league just passes us by it's no wonder we fail at everything.
Such a bad take
It’s not a whimsical role really,
Its about performance, value and impact though as well mate, i get and accept poor governance but there are an awful lot of metrics that dont require board interference to, that have disimproved - i mean i doubt Kenwright is running or recruiting the scout dept, performance analysis, medical and rehabilitation....
Recruitment of managers
Scouting.
Recruitment of players
Long term strategy
Analysis
Performance Management
Contract Management
Managing Budgets
Providing Governance of the footballing dept as a board function
Academy
Rehabilitation
Medical
Managing each dept across the footballing matrix cohesively
Im not against the model at all in fact im open minded, but it hasn't been beneficial for us in fact the contrary, so its only right the question is asked. As i said last night, theory is one thing, application is something else. Lads for the model, at the moment are just - coming up with theory - because they like the theory, when results and benefits as they apply to Everton are contrary.
Its not a whimsical role, we invest a lot in it - its managing 100s of millions of resources - the question remains given the resources it takes, has it added value or driven improvement - i dont think it has.
Its about performance, value and impact though as well mate, i get and accept poor governance but there are an awful lot of metrics that dont require board interference to, that have disimproved - i mean i doubt Kenwright is running or recruiting the scout dept, performance analysis, medical and rehabilitation....
Recruitment of managers
Scouting.
Recruitment of players
Long term strategy
Analysis
Performance Management
Contract Management
Managing Budgets
Providing Governance of the footballing dept as a board function
Academy
Rehabilitation
Medical
Managing each dept across the footballing matrix cohesively
Im not against the model at all in fact im open minded, but it hasn't been beneficial for us in fact the contrary, so its only right the question is asked. As i said last night, theory is one thing, application is something else. Lads for the model, at the moment are just - coming up with theory - because they like the theory, when results and benefits as they apply to Everton are contrary.
Its not a whimsical role, we invest a lot in it - its managing 100s of millions of resources - the question remains given the resources it takes, has it added value or driven improvement - i dont think it has.
Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £50m
That might have something to do with the fact that we are possibly the worst run club in the country. I mean it's amazing the way that it seems to work everywhere else no matter what the country or what the league apart from here which would suggest that it's the club that's the issue rather than the role itself. The role also needs to be given time so the person can actually implement what they want to do (Thelwell seems to be getting that) it's keeping the board away from the first team that's important for us and letting people get on with their jobs.
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