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lukecrossland
Player Valuation: £6m
After his world cup performance who is going to want him? No one outside of England. He couldn't get into a tip 4 side IMO asthey have players as good and if not better so he might want to stay looking at that. And what's a contract if he wants to leave next year? Nout!
There are a lot of good wingers about and the emergence of some really good young ones at the WC, its hard to see us getting 15 mill for him and him getting 80 k a week when you consider, there are very talented young wingers on the block.
Rook
Player Valuation: £80m
Wingers aren't that hard to replace. With solid scouting you could find a good one to fit your system for under 5M. Granted Pinnear is a much better player but how much really are we losing if he's replaced by say Matthew Etherthington? Etheringhton can get down the wing with pace and put a good cross in as well as anybody so long as you can get people in the box that's all you need. There are plenty of Ethringtons in the prem. Plus Billy is going to have to eventually have to get on the pitch, Someday, I hope.
The positions that you absolutely don't want to lose are striker and playmaking center mids. Striker because of the price tag. Also finding a player like Arteta is tough for any price for the fact that I can't think of one British or Irish player whose game even slightly resembles Arteta's (Huddlestone?).
Look at all the transfer fees of say average-above avg. strikers. Having to buy a "quality" striker can easily bankrupt you.
Dean Ashton 15M
Marcus Bent 16M
Robbie Keane 20M and 16M
Pavenlychenko 11M
Yak 10.5M - downright bargain compared to these
AJ (2 years past his prime AJ) 10.25M
Elmander 11M
Roque Santa Cruz 18M
Even Brum couldn't get Pavlenchenko for 12M which at the time Rednapp hated him, marroned him on the bench and had a offer for more than what spurs paid for him.
Zamora has been awful for years but I bet his price tag after 1 very good season is around the 20M range. Its probably a good arguement to keep Anichebe and Vaughn. If they break though they their value just skyrockets.
The positions that you absolutely don't want to lose are striker and playmaking center mids. Striker because of the price tag. Also finding a player like Arteta is tough for any price for the fact that I can't think of one British or Irish player whose game even slightly resembles Arteta's (Huddlestone?).
Look at all the transfer fees of say average-above avg. strikers. Having to buy a "quality" striker can easily bankrupt you.
Dean Ashton 15M
Marcus Bent 16M
Robbie Keane 20M and 16M
Pavenlychenko 11M
Yak 10.5M - downright bargain compared to these
AJ (2 years past his prime AJ) 10.25M
Elmander 11M
Roque Santa Cruz 18M
Even Brum couldn't get Pavlenchenko for 12M which at the time Rednapp hated him, marroned him on the bench and had a offer for more than what spurs paid for him.
Zamora has been awful for years but I bet his price tag after 1 very good season is around the 20M range. Its probably a good arguement to keep Anichebe and Vaughn. If they break though they their value just skyrockets.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
I don't buy it to be honest, good wingers usually cost money. 5 million will get you a player who hugs the touchline, pushes the ball as far infront of him as possible and tries to outpace a fullback. That isn't fitting into our system, it just makes us look average and one dimensional.
Pienaar is underestimated, his movement is fantastic and he's one of the most intelligent players in our League. He comes short, he's good at finding pockets of space and he's always supporting players in possession. You only have to see the massive drop off in quality when Bilyaletdinov played there, and he's far more talented than the Hunt's and Etherington's of this world. Not only that, but even Leighton Baines struggled to have an impact in an attacking sense, he was restricted.
Every player is replaceable, even Arteta, but it certainly wouldn't be easy to replace Pienaar, especially when you consider the money we'd probably get for him and even though there are good, up and coming players out there, they all cost money and team's are interested in them, team's who could quite comfortably put us out of contention by outbidding us, it isn't hard.
Good creative players and goalscorers are probably the most difficult players to replace.
Pienaar is underestimated, his movement is fantastic and he's one of the most intelligent players in our League. He comes short, he's good at finding pockets of space and he's always supporting players in possession. You only have to see the massive drop off in quality when Bilyaletdinov played there, and he's far more talented than the Hunt's and Etherington's of this world. Not only that, but even Leighton Baines struggled to have an impact in an attacking sense, he was restricted.
Every player is replaceable, even Arteta, but it certainly wouldn't be easy to replace Pienaar, especially when you consider the money we'd probably get for him and even though there are good, up and coming players out there, they all cost money and team's are interested in them, team's who could quite comfortably put us out of contention by outbidding us, it isn't hard.
Good creative players and goalscorers are probably the most difficult players to replace.
Alio
They call me Avocado Baby
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.........Where is he now anyway bless him
I really do think Pienaar will stay and hopefully will sign a deal more to the point.
lets face it at this time of year the tabloids spread as much bulls#*t as they can, of which about 10% is truth the rest is crap designed to unsettle players and teams, if our jobs were only for 2 or 3 years we would worry were we would end up in the long run, stability is not something you apply to football, I would love him to stay and play well for us but if the club can cash in and get over £10,000,000 im sure with moyes magic touch he already has a candidate in mind.
The Bishop
Player Valuation: £500k
Bear in mind his agent is known to come on this forum...
Hes a good player mate and a lot of what you say is true, but i think you over estimate him - as you say yourself there are many good young players out there with less miles on the clock then Pienaar - i actualy dont think there at that much of a premimum nor do i think we should baulk at 10 - 15 mill on one player considering the overall strength of the squad, i think its about quality over quantity at this stage. While as Fellaini has proved 15 mill or so for a 21 year old with bags of quality is money well spent.
He does bring a lot to table in terms of an outlet and creativity, but his goal and assist record could and should be better when you weigh up what hes reported to be looking for against middle of the range wingers in the league like Hunt and Ettherington. Id like to see us move away from Pienaar and Arteta being our major creative outlets - largely becasue of the scenarios we're seeing this summer and a widening of the creative burden base is a must, making the team less predictable over all.
P.S. Arteta is irreplaceable for me.
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Stupid question really.
We're a better side when he's in the team then when he's not.
We're a better side when he's in the team then when he's not.
bluebastardo
Player Valuation: £40m
Stupid question? Who says we're a better side when he's in the team? Let's take Pienaar out and bring in DiMaria, or perhaps Oezil, or let's go totally wild and bring in Iniesta or Fabregas. Are we still a better team with him in it? All I asked was do people 'want' him back.
Folks forget that until Arteta was injured Pienaar was hit and miss. He had a good finish to that season which raised a few eyebrows. Last season, he blew hot and cold during the first half, yet still got player of the season.
He's a great player, but he isn't irreplaceable, and if we really could get £15m plus for him, there are a LOT of players I would rather have in our team. We are a poor club in comparison to others, and he knows it, yet wants more and more, just like all the other greedy little sods in the game.
For me, he can do one, and so can ANY other player that is 'not commited' to Everton Football Club.
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ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
You keep on coming back with this and it's not true, Pienaar has created more goals than any other Everton player over the last three years, Arteta included in that.14 assists in his first season, 11 in his second and around 7 or so last season. He doesn't score alot of goals, granted, that's one thing you could aim at him, but his creativity is very good, whether it's making the final pass or being involved in the link up which leads to a goal. How many times have we seen him play Baines into a good position where he can get a cross in? Lots of times, and that's creativity for you. And the most impressive thing about Pienaar's creativity is he doesn't take set pieces, the majority of the goals he's created have come from open play, he doesn't have the luxury of taking set pieces.
We wouldn't get the likes of Eljero Elia, Charles N'Zogbia and Eden Hazard for cheap, it just wouldn't happen, they'd be 12 million and upwards and that's without other clubs coming in and upping the bids. We'd probably have to go and buy someone who's off the radar like Bilyaletdinov was. Basically, it wouldn't be an easy task.
As for Arteta, he'd certainly be the most difficult player to replace but no player is irraplaceable. It'd be difficult to find a player who's as attached to Everton football club as Mikel is, though.
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We would massively miss him if he wasn't there, that's about it really. Ludicrous question like.
Not according to the PL website he hasnt.
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