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2022/23 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

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Big Bad Blue said:
Perhaps he'll agree to a cut in wages?
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PAHAHA yeah because that happens all the time - especially with players currently under contract, doesn't it?! I'm sure professional footballers are desperate to do their employers finanical favours at personal cost.

I'm sure you'd happily agree to a pay cut in your job if your boss/customers felt you could have done more over the last year or were medically unable to be present every day, right?
 
Titus Shambles said:
PAHAHA yeah because that happens all the time - especially with players currently under contract, doesn't it?! I'm sure professional footballers are desperate to do their employers finanical favours at personal cost.

I'm sure you'd happily agree to a pay cut in your job if your boss/customers felt you could have done more over the last year or were medically unable to be present every day, right?
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To be fair football careers are not even remotely comparable to normal professions.

I believe in most professions if you are medically unable to perform your job duties you would be sacked at the conclusion of your 12-weeks of FMLA.

Even if your appeal for Disability were granted, at best you would receive unpaid leave until you are able to return to work.

Then again, if you filed for worker's compensation stating that your employer was liable in the cause of the injury you may be able to receive a settlement on your way out the door.

So again, if I was medically unable to perform my job, I would be delighted to negotiate a pay cut as it would be substantially better than any of the other alternatives.
 
StateSideToffee said:
To be fair football careers are not even remotely comparable to normal professions.

I believe in most professions if you are medically unable to perform your job duties you would be sacked at the conclusion of your 12-weeks of FMLA.

Even if your appeal for Disability were granted, at best you would receive unpaid leave until you are able to return to work.

Then again, if you filed for worker's compensation stating that your employer was liable in the cause of the injury you may be able to receive a settlement on your way out the door.

So again, if I was medically unable to perform my job, I would be delighted to negotiate a pay cut as it would be substantially better than any of the other alternatives.
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Granted football is it's own bubble world, but my point is valid. Why ON EARTH would Dom --or any player anywhere in the world-- say "hey I'd like to be paid less because I haven't played as much". It's nonsensical lunacy. My own fault for giving such a daft, pointless assertion the time of day in hindsight.

I would not ask for a pay decrease. You would not. A professional footballer would not. No one would.
 
Titus Shambles said:
Granted football is it's own bubble world, but my point is valid. Why ON EARTH would Dom --or any player anywhere in the world-- say "hey I'd like to be paid less because I haven't played as much". It's nonsensical lunacy. My own fault for giving such a daft, pointless assertion the time of day in hindsight.

I would not ask for a pay decrease. You would not. A professional footballer would not. No one would.
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You're absolutely right. Once you've signed on the line which is dotted, that's the deal. No one is giving back any money.

Shame on Everton for not including a greater percentage of performance incentives in their contracts. Another example of poor business practice.
 
StateSideToffee said:
You're absolutely right. Once you've signed on the line which is dotted, that's the deal. No one is giving back any money.

Shame on Everton for not including a greater percentage of performance incentives in their contracts. Another example of poor business practice.
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Yes (and no). The simple reality of pro football (especially at the top levels) is so much is guaranteed up front, it's hard to make incentivized contracts the norm in a world where millions are thrown at [highly valuable] "assets". Ideally contracts should be heavily incentivized but that's just not the way it works.

Player A is not signing for Club X if 75% of their wages are down to performance or selection. They are signing for the club that pays them regardless. Plus appearances fees, and goal bonuses, and assist bonuses, and yearly wages rises, and international bonuses, and win bonsuses etc etc.

The Premier League has made players "gods" in negotiations because "0.1% of people make the cut" so no one is signing incentive based contracts from that view point. Why should I have to deliver every week before I get paid by Club X when Club Y will pay me the same just for turning up.
 

Titus Shambles said:
Yes (and no). The simple reality of pro football (especially at the top levels) is so much is guaranteed up front, it's hard to make incentivized contracts the norm in a world where millions are thrown at [highly valuable] "assets". Ideally contracts should be heavily incentivized but that's just not the way it works.

Player A is not signing for Club X if 75% of their wages are down to performance or selection. They are signing for the club that pays them regardless. Plus appearances fees, and goal bonuses, and assist bonuses, and yearly wages rises, and international bonuses, and win bonsuses etc etc.

The Premier League has made players "gods" in negotiations because "0.1% of people make the cut" so no one is signing incentive based contracts from that view point. Why should I have to deliver every week before I get paid by Club X when Club Y will pay me the same just for turning up.
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I get that and believe that your assessment is correct.

I still do believe Everton would be better served offering prospective footballers the option to sign:

A. The contract with less guaranteed money, but much higher potential earnings from add on incentives.

B. The contract with more guaranteed money, but less potential for total earnings.

If your scouting/recruiting teams are getting it right, they should be identifying the type of individuals that would bet on themselves and select option A.
 
Everton sentimentality kicking in again.
He’s had 2 years not performing.
What would other clubs do?
Some real examples on here of why this club is in the mess it is, too soft and too interested in doing the perceived ‘right thing’
It’s a performance business, and he’s not performing.
 
AsiaAsia82 said:
Everton sentimentality kicking in again.
He’s had 2 years not performing.
What would other clubs do?
Some real examples on here of why this club is in the mess it is, too soft and too interested in doing the perceived ‘right thing’
It’s a performance business, and he’s not performing.
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Im confused mate, what are suggesting we should do?

What would "other clubs" do?
 

Titus Shambles said:
Granted football is it's own bubble world, but my point is valid. Why ON EARTH would Dom --or any player anywhere in the world-- say "hey I'd like to be paid less because I haven't played as much". It's nonsensical lunacy. My own fault for giving such a daft, pointless assertion the time of day in hindsight.

I would not ask for a pay decrease. You would not. A professional footballer would not. No one would.
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You'd think with his injury record, he'd want to earn every penny he could incase he has to retire early?
 
DanB90 said:
Yes, but Shearers weren’t reoccurring.
I’d love nothing more than Doms injury woes to go away, but based on 24 months of recent evidence, that isn’t going to happen. And we certainly can’t go into another season hoping that he can stay fit for the majority of it.

For his sake as well as ours, we need someone to share the burden.
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As good as Shearer was he was never quite the unbelievable player he was at Blackburn after the injuries. It has to take something from you
 

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