2017/18 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

[Barnfred 55]

Secondly, shearers numbers are better than you suggest if you don’t just look at his record in the league. His birthday is in August so entire seasons take place where he’s the same age - in the one when he was 20 he scored 14 goals in all competitions, at 21 he scored 14 in the league and 21 in all. DCL is 21 and has 8 in all so far.

Cummon mate. Not saying you're wrong or anything. No point going there with you as we already know we disagree on this. But let's be consistent here. You're being picky about Shearers birthdays here if I'm not mistaken. Well DCL turned 21 about 3 weeks ago, but you're making out that they're his stats as a 21 yo.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I haven’t made it a direct comparison at all,

Yes you did. You quoted the number of goals scored by Shearer as a 20 yo and a 21 yo old and then quoted what DCL has scored this season. If that's not a direct comparison I don't know what is.

 

[Lanolin]

Cummon mate. Not saying you're wrong or anything. No point going there with you as we already know we disagree on this. But let's be consistent here. You're being picky about Shearers birthdays here if I'm not mistaken. Well DCL turned 21 about 3 weeks ago, but you're making out that they're his stats as a 21 yo.

You are mistaken.

I’m not being ‘picky’ about his birthday at all, I was just highlighting the fact that it’s easy to see what Shearer was doing at a particular age because his change in age matches the change in season. Not that it should matter which stats we use, because we’re not comparing them are we?

 

[Lanolin]

Yes you did. You quoted the number of goals scored by Shearer as a 20 yo and a 21 yo old and then quoted what DCL has scored this season. If that's not a direct comparison I don't know what is.

I used THE SAME STATS as he used. If i’m Making a direct comparison So is he. But he’s not, you told us so. Hope this helps.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Changed the game when he came on , then pretty much missed a sitter . That’s Everton in one player for you , build you up to knock you down .

I certainly think there is a player in there , looks to be talented but as has been said he doesn’t look a natural finisher . I think we’ve seen an improvement this season and we’ll hopefully see more next .

Yesterday is the sort of cameo we should be seeing from the guy at this stage in his development. He needs a lot of work on the training ground on aspects of his game, mainly composure in front of goal and also making the right runs to get into goal scoring positions. Also decision making.

Some of that you can learn from experience and from playing with and against top strikers. It's the composure side that concerns me but I'm not giving up on him yet. I've seen him score some good goals so he has it in him.

 

[ADT]

A good coach will get the best out of him

 

[Barnfred 55]

You are mistaken.

I’m not being ‘picky’ about his birthday at all, I was just highlighting the fact that it’s easy to see what Shearer was doing at a particular age because his change in age matches the change in season. Not that it should matter which stats we use, because we’re not comparing them are we?

We aren't but you are. Anyway, your post didn't read that way to me. But OK.

I used THE SAME STATS as he used. If i’m Making a direct comparison So is he. But he’s not, you told us so. Hope this helps.

He never mentioned DCL stats, only Shearers and Henry's. He was making a point that neither were prolific at that age. You quoted DCL in the same sentence, hence you are drawing a direct comparison. If you hadn't quoted the DCL stats I wouldn't have said anything.

 

[catcherintherye]

It was a very Calvert Lewin performance yesterday. The lad has a great attitude, puts himself about but ultimately lacks composure and technical skill at the key moment.

When watching the game with my brother I said they would win, it had 2-0 Liverpool written all over it in the 2nd half. Bolasie's head had gone and we couldn't stop them marauding forward. Calvert Lewin changed the flow of that game, he won 7 or 8 tackles, got us further up the pitch and stopped Clyne from bombing forward which the allowed Baines the space he needed in the game.

The missed chance was really poor. He has to work at that. I don't think he will ever become a Harry Kane or even a Tosun as I'm not sure you can teach that. If you compare his miss to Tosuns miss, they are chalk and cheese, one is inches away another is a complete hack. He can get more composed though. Crucially I think he needs to build on his strengths, i.e. timing of jumps and timing of runs. He is incredibly powerful and leaps as well as anyone I have seen post Fergusan (Cahill and Speed were good too but smaller). If he can work at that, he will score more goals with his head. Likewise the better he gets at running channels the more of a hassle he will be, and he will help Tosun.

Like I've just said in the Davies thread, you can't expect young players to be finished articles (the only one I remember who was was Rooney) but you look at strengths and see are they improving. He has improved massively this season so obviously has a good attitude and also has fantastic physical stats.

For those who remember Marcus Bent, I see a lot of him in Calvert Lewin. A big lad, with a great attitude who worked tirelessly for a team who was 3rd at Christmas and 4th at the end of the season. I think he is already ahead of Bent in many aspects of the game (much better in the air and probably a slightly better finisher) but probably needs to learn to time runs better. I always felt we jettisoned Bent too soon and never really replaced him (Johnson was the closest we got for a brief period). I think most squads need a forward like Bent, who can hassle defences, turn long punts into offences weapons, run channels and get on the end of crosses.

I wouldn't be averted to him going to Holland for a loan, where I think the technical aspects of his game will improve and he will likely play most weeks as a number 9 which will help him.

While I'm gutted he missed a sitter, I also think he was a central reason in us avoiding a defeat yesterday and it's great to see a lad who's just turned 21 really fancying a derby game.

 

[Lanolin]

We aren't but you are. Anyway, your post didn't read that way to me. But OK.
He never mentioned DCL stats, only Shearers and Henry's. He was making a point that neither were prolific at that age. You quoted DCL in the same sentence, hence you are drawing a direct comparison. If you hadn't quoted the DCL stats I wouldn't have said anything.

Oh come on mate, you’re being ridiculous.

You’re an intelligent bloke, you’re not too stupid to understand that you can’t come into a thread titled ‘Dominic calvert lewin’, join a discussion around his goal scoring record, comment in the records of other players at the same age and then try to claim you weren’t comparing them.

I’m not saying either of you are trying to say they are comparable in terms of talent, if you read my post it’s solely a statistical comparison in which I added the player we’re supposed to be talking about to the otherwise completely meaningless stats about another player. Seems a pretty logical thing to do to me.

 

[kithnou]

Played so well when he came on and changed the game.

And then, once again, showed us at the end why he won’t make it as a striker in this league.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Oh come on mate, you’re being ridiculous.

You’re an intelligent bloke, you’re not too stupid to understand that you can’t come into a thread titled ‘Dominic calvert lewin’, join a discussion around his goal scoring record, comment in the records of other players at the same age and then try to claim you weren’t comparing them.

I’m not saying either of you are trying to say they are comparable in terms of talent, if you read my post it’s solely a statistical comparison in which I added the player we’re supposed to be talking about to the otherwise completely meaningless stats about another player. Seems a pretty logical thing to do to me.

I'm not being ridiculous mate. It wasn't even my post so I don't know why I'm defending it so much.

The post in question was a direct response to posts saying or insinuating that DCL will not make it as a striker at the top level because he is not prolific in front if goal. The poster listed 2 top strikers of recent time who were not prolific at the same age. He never said or implied that DCL would be as good or prolific as said players. He was just making a point that it is wrong to completely write off somebody who has only just turned 21.

He could have made that post in defence of any striker of his age group struggling to score goals at the top level and it would have been as valid.

 

[Walken]

best athlete at the club, occasionally has a good touch, and occasionally has a good finish, theres good fundamentals to be a decent player but needs work

 

[Simon baker]

It was a very Calvert Lewin performance yesterday. The lad has a great attitude, puts himself about but ultimately lacks composure and technical skill at the key moment.

When watching the game with my brother I said they would win, it had 2-0 Liverpool written all over it in the 2nd half. Bolasie's head had gone and we couldn't stop them marauding forward. Calvert Lewin changed the flow of that game, he won 7 or 8 tackles, got us further up the pitch and stopped Clyne from bombing forward which the allowed Baines the space he needed in the game.

The missed chance was really poor. He has to work at that. I don't think he will ever become a Harry Kane or even a Tosun as I'm not sure you can teach that. If you compare his miss to Tosuns miss, they are chalk and cheese, one is inches away another is a complete hack. He can get more composed though. Crucially I think he needs to build on his strengths, i.e. timing of jumps and timing of runs. He is incredibly powerful and leaps as well as anyone I have seen post Fergusan (Cahill and Speed were good too but smaller). If he can work at that, he will score more goals with his head. Likewise the better he gets at running channels the more of a hassle he will be, and he will help Tosun.

Like I've just said in the Davies thread, you can't expect young players to be finished articles (the only one I remember who was was Rooney) but you look at strengths and see are they improving. He has improved massively this season so obviously has a good attitude and also has fantastic physical stats.

For those who remember Marcus Bent, I see a lot of him in Calvert Lewin. A big lad, with a great attitude who worked tirelessly for a team who was 3rd at Christmas and 4th at the end of the season. I think he is already ahead of Bent in many aspects of the game (much better in the air and probably a slightly better finisher) but probably needs to learn to time runs better. I always felt we jettisoned Bent too soon and never really replaced him (Johnson was the closest we got for a brief period). I think most squads need a forward like Bent, who can hassle defences, turn long punts into offences weapons, run channels and get on the end of crosses.

I wouldn't be averted to him going to Holland for a loan, where I think the technical aspects of his game will improve and he will likely play most weeks as a number 9 which will help him.

While I'm gutted he missed a sitter, I also think he was a central reason in us avoiding a defeat yesterday and it's great to see a lad who's just turned 21 really fancying a derby game.

Great post mate it’s very rare we manage to have a player who has the physicality & technical ability to go the the very top.

Calvert Lewin certainly doesn’t have the technical ability but physically he really is a specimen very few will be able to cope with him once he matures a little more.

Henderson is a great athlete & yesterday he knew he had to pull him back as he wouldn’t of been able to stay with him.

 

[Lanolin]

I'm not being ridiculous mate. It wasn't even my post so I don't know why I'm defending it so much.

The post in question was a direct response to posts saying or insinuating that DCL will not make it as a striker at the top level because he is not prolific in front if goal. The poster listed 2 top strikers of recent time who were not prolific at the same age. He never said or implied that DCL would be as good or prolific as said players. He was just making a point that it is wrong to completely write off somebody who has only just turned 21.

He could have made that post in defence of any striker of his age group struggling to score goals at the top level and it would have been as valid.

And nobody’s saying it’s not valid, simply that it is, by definition, a comparison.

 

[orly]

best athlete at the club, occasionally has a good touch, and occasionally has a good finish, theres good fundamentals to be a decent player but needs work

This is the Calvert-Lewin thread mate, not the Theo Walcott one