Donald Trump for President Thread

MartyMcFly · October 20, 2016

LinekersLegs said:
Surprisingly some of the recent polls have suggested that Trump isn't outperforming Romney with wwc men as much as you'd expect although it does certainly seem to be a factor in Iowa and Ohio.

The question is has it been outweighed by the defection of traditionally Republican college educated voters, some of the southern states have a much higher % of those voters which makes North Carolina and Georgia interesting.

Well that's true. That's why it's still a bit unpredictable. At the moment he's trying to win them back. Whether he does or not will decide the election. But it's also just as likely he will lose more support from the working class white men and lose heavily.

RaleighBlue · October 20, 2016

MartyMcFly said:
Certain viruses have the means of replacing existing code and then restoring the original code after they are done.

I guess that's similar to what he was referring to.

The dude was a programmer who stood and testified in front of the Senate. I suspect he wasn't just some guy but an expert in the field.

Ah, but if it's a virus, how does the virus get installed? And how do you ensure there is no trace of the malware? Can it self destruct fully, leaving no trace on disk?

I'm just suggesting that the believeability of this technology is low for me. It's would take an incredible conspiracy to run mass voter fraud, even with computer voting - and I question who would do it...I don't think either Party would have that sort of access. I could see it if we were talking about the NSA.

MartyMcFly · October 20, 2016

RAFUH said:
Trump is caught on audio/video saying he does illegal things (grope women without consent): Never happened. He is just self aggrandizing. It is part of his pubic persona. There's no proof. You can't believe people coming forward now saying they saw/experienced it.

Democratic operative is caught on audio/video saying he does illegal things (voter fraud): This absolutely happened. Couldn't possibly be a guy self aggrandizing. It would hurt his reputation. There's proof. People have seen it.

The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding

Bit hypocritical that last line. I don't not believe them. I said it was a good answer because he moved on from it quickly, gave people who wanted to believe a reason to believe it wasn't true and shifted the focus to Hillary rather than what he did in the 2nd debate and ramble and rage for 30 mins digging his hole bigger and bigger.

Moomin · October 20, 2016

If the polls had Trump ahead, do you think he would be still saying its rigged??

He is a bad kopite loser blaming everyone else but himself.

wm02 · October 20, 2016

Not sure how it is in other states but here in Maryland during the primaries I was surprised that it was no longer computer voting and had returned to a paper ballot

wm02 · October 20, 2016

Moomin said:
If the polls had Trump ahead, do you think he would be still saying its rigged??

He is a bad kopite loser blaming everyone else but himself.

He's no Bud Grant. That's for sure.

MartyMcFly · October 20, 2016

RaleighBlue said:
Ah, but if it's a virus, how does the virus get installed? And how do you ensure there is no trace of the malware? Can it self destruct fully, leaving no trace on disk?

I'm just suggesting that the believeability of this technology is low for me. It's would take an incredible conspiracy to run mass voter fraud, even with computer voting - and I question who would do it...I don't think either Party would have that sort of access. I could see it if we were talking about the NSA.

Of course it can leave no trace on a disk. It simply records what the memory was before and after. As for how it can be installed? If it's connected then there's multiple ways especially if the original programmers designed the system with this in mind.

They could "accidentally" leave an exploit bug for example. If it isn't a conspiracy then it's a question of getting hold of a machine and hacking it.

Think of all the money the games companies spend to secure their system with the top programmers and how long does it take for them to be cracked.

roydo · October 20, 2016

If it wasnt so serious, I would just laugh at the idiot.

Apparently he said today that he would respect the outcome. If he won.

ilikecheese · October 20, 2016

Moomin said:
If the polls had Trump ahead, do you think he would be still saying its rigged??

He is a bad kopite loser blaming everyone else but himself.

It borders on criminal.

Saying an election is rigged before any votes are counted undermines the fundamental process of a democratic vote.

LEONARD · October 20, 2016

I think Trump realizes now that the game is up.

He is getting his excuses in early, before the American electorate in their wisdom, consign him to political history.

RaleighBlue · October 20, 2016

MartyMcFly said:
Of course it can leave no trace on a disk. It simply records what the memory was before and after. As for how it can be installed? If it's connected then there's multiple ways especially if the original programmers designed the system with this in mind.

They could "accidentally" leave an exploit bug for example. If it isn't a conspiracy then it's a question of getting hold of a machine and hacking it.

Think of all the money the games companies spend to secure their system with the top programmers and how long does it take for them to be cracked.

I work in games.

The programming on games is generally not the most secure thing largely because of time and expense...more focus is put to gameplay systems than backend stuff. And we're not talking about whether it can be cracked - of course it can - computers do that kind of thing really well. My argument is doing it without a trace that it has occurred is a totally different beast, and not just something you can easily spin up.

I would hope that voting machines are not connected to any network, honestly...maybe they are though...that would be troubling, but with proper security, logging, and monitoring I'm still having trouble with the idea of 'no one would ever see it'.

MartyMcFly · October 20, 2016

ilikecheese said:
It borders on criminal.

Saying an election is rigged before any votes are counted undermines the fundamental process of a democratic vote.

He didn't say that. He said that there's no way he can know beforehand because he doesn't trust the establishment.

e.g. Look at the Republican party primaries. He was asked if he lost would he support the candidate who won. It's a similar thing and he first said he wouldn't and then he did make the same pledge as the rest.

What we also have to remember is that it was the other GOP candidates who in the end didn't support him.

LinekersLegs · October 20, 2016

MartyMcFly · October 20, 2016

RaleighBlue said:
I work in games.

The programming on games is generally not the most secure thing largely because of time and expense...more focus is put to gameplay systems than backend stuff. And we're not talking about whether it can be cracked - of course it can - computers do that kind of thing really well. My argument is doing it without a trace that it has occurred is a totally different beast, and not just something you can easily spin up.

I would hope that voting machines are not connected to any network, honestly...maybe they are though...that would be troubling, but with proper security, logging, and monitoring I'm still having trouble with the idea of 'no one would ever see it'.

The platform holders spend an awful amount of money on it. The developers not so much.

But if you prefer I change games to banking then fair enough.

I don't know the ins and outs either and no one said it was easy but this is a guy who is giving evidence to the senate. He might be wrong but he also may not be.