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are white people seriously complaining about being marginalised???? Tremendous LOL at anyone dumb enough to miss the point of any equality movement and do that, the world was built by white men for white men and is still in the most controlled by white men, when we have spent centuries being treated as lower human beings, and that attitude still has an impact today, we can maybe compare our own 'struggles' for equality, complain that a movement doesn't include us which clearly equates to centuries of institutionalized racism according to some right wing morons
 

Of course "black lives matter" is a racist movement. If it was "White lives matter" it would be called a Nazi March or something akin to that.


Black lives matter has never meant other lives don't matter, only triggered white people try and make out otherwise. Do you see Asians etc all moaning about it ? No you don't. It's white people who don't like being reminded about the advantages they have in life.

When you think about its really pretty disgusting the way they try and dismiss the cause and make it about themselves.
 
Of course "black lives matter" is a racist movement. If it was "White lives matter" it would be called a Nazi March or something akin to that. Whats wrong with "All lives matter" which received abuse from the black community when posted on twitter etc?.
Do you not believe that the BLM protesters have a legitimate grievance? Black males are clearly shot at a disproportionate rate to their presence in society.

It may be that the difference is entirely explained by African Americans being generally poorer and living in higher crime areas. However if this is so surely it would be pretty easy to show that for any category of police call out, say "man acting suspicious" there is no disparity in whether they end up in the morgue or not - there is very little independent data to prove that.

There is however an awful lot of data that suggests African Americans are treated substantially worse than white Americans in a whole host of other criminal justice fields (# traffic stops, #searches, police use of force, arrest rate for pot etc etc etc).

Even if you take the position that there is little to no racial element in police shootings, it has publicized an issue that really had very little attention - people in America of all races get shot at a very high rate compared to their Western counterparts.

BLM has encouraged discussion on a whole range issues such as community policing, whether stop and frisk is effective, how data about shootings is collected and by whom, police body cameras, if police mistakes are made whether lessons are learnt and the officers punished etc. All these are worthy of debate and analysis and should lead to better law enforcement for all regardless of the initial reason the issues were brought up.
 
I agree, but millions of people are supporting Trump, just as millions voted for Brexit or are supporting Le Pen and Wilders, or have put their lot behind Syriza. There are a lot of unhappy folks around the world and politicians from left and right are taking advantage of this disgruntlement. We've been here before after the depression, and even if we think it daft or unsavoury, I'm not sure it can be ignored any longer.

I mean no one thought Brexit would happen, but that's kind of legitimised things imo, so as crazy as it sounds, I wouldn't rule out Trump getting in at all, and then we enter a very scary place.

The campaigns have done there homework. They know the older, white, middle ground is a massive group of society who can be relied upon to actually get out and vote. They have done polling and know this group is unhappy and what they are unhappy about. The easy part now is going about and convincing this group of society the problems and the subsequent unhappiness is somebody else's fault.

As we saw with Brexit, you can tell this group whatever lies and rubbish you want as long as what you tell them correlates to the problems being caused by other people, they will eat it up. What we have also seen is that discussion over the future economic consequences of these decisions is just swept away and considered fear mongering. I thought this would be where the campaigns would fall down but it seems the "people are sick of experts" approach has worked and as long as this can be deflected and the campaign can quickly get back to telling people that your unhappiness is caused by another part of society, the train just rolls on.

It is an unsavoury and divisive approach but it is a thought out approach which will have been finalised after plenty of testing on their target voters. As you say, it can't be ignored and the circumstances surrounding the election mean you definitely can't rule out a Trump win.
 

are white people seriously complaining about being marginalised???? Tremendous LOL at anyone dumb enough to miss the point of any equality movement and do that, the world was built by white men for white men and is still in the most controlled by white men, when we have spent centuries being treated as lower human beings, and that attitude still has an impact today, we can maybe compare our own 'struggles' for equality, complain that a movement doesn't include us which clearly equates to centuries of institutionalized racism according to some right wing morons

I apologize for being white. :zzz:
 
Black lives matter has never meant other lives don't matter, only triggered white people try and make out otherwise. Do you see Asians etc all moaning about it ? No you don't. It's white people who don't like being reminded about the advantages they have in life.

When you think about its really pretty disgusting the way they try and dismiss the cause and make it about themselves.


I live in Asia and black people (especially in Japan) are considered inferior to anyone else.

So, probably not the best example mate :)
 

Do you not believe that the BLM protesters have a legitimate grievance? Black males are clearly shot at a disproportionate rate to their presence in society.

It may be that the difference is entirely explained by African Americans being generally poorer and living in higher crime areas. However if this is so surely it would be pretty easy to show that for any category of police call out, say "man acting suspicious" there is no disparity in whether they end up in the morgue or not - there is very little independent data to prove that.

There is however an awful lot of data that suggests African Americans are treated substantially worse than white Americans in a whole host of other criminal justice fields (# traffic stops, #searches, police use of force, arrest rate for pot etc etc etc).

Even if you take the position that there is little to no racial element in police shootings, it has publicized an issue that really had very little attention - people in America of all races get shot at a very high rate compared to their Western counterparts.

BLM has encouraged discussion on a whole range issues such as community policing, whether stop and frisk is effective, how data about shootings is collected and by whom, police body cameras, if police mistakes are made whether lessons are learnt and the officers punished etc. All these are worthy of debate and analysis and should lead to better law enforcement for all regardless of the initial reason the issues were brought up.


I could understand if they also were up in arms about the black cop being shot...but no in his case his life wasnt worth mentioning as he was a cop.

Instead they should have also been up in arms about the white guy shot by a cop last week....but nothing either.

So its only relevant when blacks are shot by cops..mnot latinos or whites or anyone else. To support that when J.lopez posted that all lives matter (and other celebs did too) she was sent a lot of nasty tweets.

I wonder if this wasnt white people or another community complaining there wouldnt be a different view about them.
 

Its true....the japanese have a special word for them.

Not well liked or respected generally and ive witnessed this with my own eyes with a Black mate visiting me a couple of times and us not being allowed into bars amd clubs.
 
Its true....the japanese have a special word for them.

Not well liked or respected generally and ive witnessed this with my own eyes with a Black mate visiting me a couple of times and us not being allowed into bars amd clubs.

Glad you don't believe that, Zat. I've met proper racists too, in Johannesburg. Really unsettling. Can't compare with what passes for racism in Europe. Never been to Japan or USA, sounds quite regressive there too.
 

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