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Donald Trump for President Thread

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Obama tells us the country is in a better state since he's been in. The black male is
angry, rightly so. The left will continue to take advantage of minority's for their own
gain.
 
I think that last bit is a bit mistaken. I feel like there will be a significant % of people voting for either Gary Johnson or Jill Stein this year as a way to put a 'screw you two parties if you think THAT is what the majority of this country want'.
This election is too important b/c of the sideshow clown running on one side. I'll only vote for Gary Johnson if the polls show my state is comfortably one way or the other come election time. However, I'm scared it might be a close battleground state.
 

Because divisive politics like Trump's will only add fuel to fire, worsen relations and make things worse for the USA. Building walls, banning Muslims; it's all negative and intended to play to people's fears. If it happens, it won't end well.
I'm no fan of Trump but in fairness to him, he didn't say ban Muslims full stop, he said ban Muslims until they, the authorities, can be sure of who they are, vet them kind of thing.
But I think this should apply to all Immigrants, I'd expect someone to check me out if I wanted to emigrate to another Country, it would be stupid and irresponsible not too.
 
I don't understand why people are up in arms over Trump's wall. It's to stop illegal immigration.

Perhaps someone could explain to me the objection?

1) It's a non-issue turned into incendiary, racist propaganda
2) Immigrants from the other Americas are here to work, and are largely unskilled; if they are taking jobs from Americans (which I seriously doubt*), who have immense advantages over the immigrants, the only blame to give is to the Americans
3) Workers pay taxes through payroll and consumption. If the employer is not paying the correct payroll taxes, it's their liability and fault and not the immigrants'; proper immigration reform will "legalize" immigrant workers' presence and allow for correct taxation at all levels. (A common argument is "they steal our taxes")
4) Those trafficking goods (guns, drugs, humans) will not be stopped by a stupid wall--the wall is only a show of strength/shame, and nothing more
5) It's a stupid idea and worthless effort when there are so many things worth fixing in America; it only appeals to rich, fat, whites. If you think immigration reform needs to add restrictions, there are reasonable policy measures worth pursuing that aren't worthless like this wall.


*You could argue that systemic bias against black men makes them ineligible for many jobs and immigrants take away their opportunity to work; not sure if this is supportable, but in any case I've not heard it argued that Trump is building his wall to benefit young, black men
 
I'm no fan of Trump but in fairness to him, he didn't say ban Muslims full stop, he said ban Muslims until they, the authorities, can be sure of who they are, vet them kind of thing.
But I think this should apply to all Immigrants, I'd expect someone to check me out if I wanted to emigrate to another Country, it would be stupid and irresponsible not too.

Of course, but there's only so much you can check somebody out before coming in. Ultimately, people are going to come and go, because that's what happens in life. Most will be harmless, a very small number will be harmful.

The guy wants to stop all Muslims coming in, he didn't state for how long or until when. He also suggested putting all current Muslims on a database. Why?
 
Of course, but there's only so much you can check somebody out before coming in. Ultimately, people are going to come and go, because that's what happens in life. Most will be harmless, a very small number will be harmful.

The guy wants to stop all Muslims coming in, he didn't state for how long or until when. He also suggested putting all current Muslims on a database. Why?
In all honesty I didn't know he'd suggested putting all Muslims on a date base, if that's the case then he should do the same for every immigrant, but that will lead to dis-trust, resentment and so the cycle of hate will continue.

I'm not a fan of any politician, it seems most promise the world and then don't give a chit when they get elected.
He showed his colours when he said he will build that wall and Mexico will pay, don't hold your breath waiting for that.
 

In all honesty I didn't know he'd suggested putting all Muslims on a date base, if that's the case then he should do the same for every immigrant, but that will lead to dis-trust, resentment and so the cycle of hate will continue.

I'm not a fan of any politician, it seems most promise the world and then don't give a chit when they get elected.
He showed his colours when he said he will build that wall and Mexico will pay, don't hold your breath waiting for that.

someone somewhere said it could be paid out of nafta or the federal aid budget to mexico which in a roundabout way would be 'mexico paying for it'
have the exact dimensions of the wall ever been specified?
 
You can't stop illegal immigration.

1) It's a non-issue turned into incendiary, racist propaganda
2) Immigrants from the other Americas are here to work, and are largely unskilled; if they are taking jobs from Americans (which I seriously doubt*), who have immense advantages over the immigrants, the only blame to give is to the Americans
3) Workers pay taxes through payroll and consumption. If the employer is not paying the correct payroll taxes, it's their liability and fault and not the immigrants'; proper immigration reform will "legalize" immigrant workers' presence and allow for correct taxation at all levels. (A common argument is "they steal our taxes")
4) Those trafficking goods (guns, drugs, humans) will not be stopped by a stupid wall--the wall is only a show of strength/shame, and nothing more
5) It's a stupid idea and worthless effort when there are so many things worth fixing in America; it only appeals to rich, fat, whites. If you think immigration reform needs to add restrictions, there are reasonable policy measures worth pursuing that aren't worthless like this wall.


*You could argue that systemic bias against black men makes them ineligible for many jobs and immigrants take away their opportunity to work; not sure if this is supportable, but in any case I've not heard it argued that Trump is building his wall to benefit young, black men


I see, the solution is open borders. Why didn't I think of that. :zzz:

By fixing our terrible immigration laws.

How?
 

By making it easier to legally get into this country obviously.

One of my closest friends is an immigration attorney here...our laws are ridiculous. Mostly built from a right wing agenda of 'they took our job' type of scaremongering.

This nation was built on immigrants...and throughout our history the 'they took our job' argument has existed. It's simply not a factual argument most of the time.
 
I see, the solution is open borders. Why didn't I think of that. :zzz:



How?

I think "open borders" means entirely different things from Europe to the US, especially given that the US has two borders, both with trade partners and allies. Also, it's worth noting that while the US has no shortage of race relations issues, it actually has other races and ethnic groups within and doesn't suffer from the same sort level of isolationism/nationalism* that most European cultures face.

*Some running for office would like to increase the isolationist/nationalist position.
 
By making it easier to legally get into this country obviously.

One of my closest friends is an immigration attorney here...our laws are ridiculous. Mostly built from a right wing agenda of 'they took our job' type of scaremongering.

This nation was built on immigrants...and throughout our history the 'they took our job' argument has existed. It's simply not a factual argument most of the time.

Stop illegal immigration by making it legal immigration. It's brilliant really....
 

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