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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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havrey0123 said:
It was 12m in its first season without cl football. so you would expect cl football to increase that to 15m.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ain-stand-earns-club-extra-12m-last-year/amp/
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It's dishonest to attribute that to the new stand entirely.

£12m even at £50 a ticket is 240,000 tickets. 24 home games all selling out, all for £50. Not really feasible tbh. Then there's the extra overheads, staff, maintenance, stewards, cleaners etc.

http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2018/...l-fc-champions-premier-league-crowds-2017-18/

As this blog points out, you only scraped over 50,000 for a couple of matches and the highest wasn't even 54,000.

240,000 tickets would be more like 30 home games (30 x 8,000) , possibly even more. It's a propaganda figure, to make you feel like it's going to be paid off soon.
 

Steve0 said:
It's dishonest to attribute that to the new stand entirely.

£12m even at £50 a ticket is 240,000 tickets. 24 home games all selling out, all for £50. Not really feasible tbh. Then there's the extra overheads, staff, maintenance, stewards, cleaners etc.

http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2018/...l-fc-champions-premier-league-crowds-2017-18/

As this blog points out, you only scraped over 50,000 for a couple of matches and the highest wasn't even 54,000.

240,000 tickets would be more like 30 home games (30 x 8,000) , possibly even more. It's a propaganda figure, to make you feel like it's going to be paid off soon.
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They aren't just for normal seats in the stand, 3500 of the 7000 additional tickets were hospitality seats which are priced at a premium. Hence the £12m your club has made.
 
Skamp said:
People like to cite the money Liverpool have spent, but as you've said, in recent years, compared to the majority of PL clubs, it's been very low.
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Wait. What?

The majority? Stop cyring poverty ffs. Since the PL began you've consistently spent easily in the top 4 so the fact you hardly ever challenge for the league is ridiculous. You're not punching above your weight mate, no matter how many volumes of 'dared to dream' you read.
 

catcherintherye said:
There is a lot in that. I do think Liverpool probably have more depth than Dortmund had and absolutely they are not going to have 6 players in the final. That being said they are going to have had a fair few players going quite deep into the competition. They will also have a lot at it full stop. Players like Mane, and even Salah who to me still looks to be carrying an injury have still not had a proper break since last July. He gives them what 4 weeks off to recoup and they are expected to go again in 2-3 weeks? I don't think you can underestimate the late champions league final as well. It's a bit of a perfect storm. Long hard season, world cup, earlier season start than normal, champions league qualifiers, high intensity game.

Buvac I think we are in agreement on. A massive loss for Klopp and even at the back end last season it really started to go downhill once the rumours of a bust up came. Losses at Chelsea and Roma, draws at Stoke and West Brom etc. It's a big test for Klopp.

As regard the finances there has been a big shift post January. Prior to that the summer before he arrived (so that season) they spent net 40 million (almost entirely by Rodgers) then made a 5 million profit before last season spending about 30 million net (underpinned by the Coutinho sale). This summer the net spend looks like 100 million already, with Fekir close to being done at 55 and a goalkeeper from 35 (Butland) up to 75 (Alison). Whichever way you dice it, it's 200-250 million quid so unless Salah goes it's a substantial investment over the last 12 months where the policy has certainly changed.

They are going much heavier now, regularly recruiting lads at over 40 million. The sales of Suarez, Sterling and Coutinho for exorbitant money (which I still believe is the plan for Salah) have allowed that. They have sold off most of the "family silver" and easy sales so there aren't many places left to go for them to fund this summers spending spree. Either Salah goes or you are putting a 9 figure sum onto the debt. It's a big gamble, which will be ok all the while they have CL, but lose CL and have commitments to these signings (with fees staggered across a contract and there will be problems). This is essentially what did for Benitez.

I think next season is a really big one for Klopp. Going into a 4th year without winning a trophy will be a bridge too far. He has been backed substantially, net, gross or any other way you look at it. The issue will be can his teams play with the same intensity coming off a very long season previously, a world cup campaign and an early start. Will European teams play into his hands again by showing them little respect. And if they cannot match the intensity, will lesser teams in the PL effectively frustrate Liverpool by sitting deep and negating the counter?

They are cock a hoop. Understandably so. They are signing proven good players. Lets see though.
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Of course I have no idea how it will go for Klopp now at Liverpool without Buvac time will only tell. But baring something really crazy happening next season, they’d be mad to want him gone regardless of what they win or don’t.

i look at the PL and the fanbases, and often feel the perspective doesn’t match the reality. Football has changed in the premier league over the past 10 plus years whether people like it or not, focus has changed. but the focus of fans especially at big clubs with big histories like Everton and Liverpool, hasn’t changed, i.e. that all that matters is winning stuff. Nothing wrong with that of course. But what it does create often is a situation that when someone doesn’t win something, it’s seen as the only defining moment in what they are employed to achieve, whereas the reality is, it isn’t.

At Liverpool, its clear to me from the outside looking in, that now finally for the first time in years and years, they have a clear defined path of how to move forward, they have the ability to attract better players, and are back in the CL in back to back seasons for the first time in ages. That is their priority, whether the fans like it or not. To get that stability first and foremost.

And that is down to one man - their manager. I see the exact parallels at Liverpool as I did at Dortmund. His ability to create a harmony, from top to bottom, from owner to fans. (Not owner in BVB’s case, but president and CEO on down). He has little ego, he doesn’t need to have the plaudits and power the way many coaches do, so he works extremely well in a collective. It’s exactly as it was here. And we saw when he left how quickly that can be broken. It took just 6 months under Tuchel to realize that harmony and unity was being torn down, with the coach pulling in a different direction to the CEO, sporting director and scouts. So we ended up making a number of poor signings to appease the coach while also signing the young players we wanted - that equated to a mess of a bloated squad which we are now trying to sort out! What I am saying is in a long winded way - things can go wrong very quickly.

So basically, baring major disaster, them (the club, the fans, the press, whoever) pressurizing him out of a job would be the worst thing they can do. Cos they won’t get anyone near his level next time. They where lucky to get him in the first place.

The ‘big 6’ in the premier league are in two distinct groups - 2 Manchester clubs who are far and away the richest and top 2 in the league. And Chelsea, who have been on that level for 12 plus years - but are in a bit of an odd situation now I know. But they are still very strong. Then you have Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal.

All of them wants to win, all their fans expect them to win, as do fans of Everton of course, the reality is though, there are only 3 things to win, and when you compete with the likes of City, United and Chelsea domestically, and Barcelona, Madrid, PSG, Juventus, Bayern Munich etc on an European stage. It’s damn hard. So why should not winning mean good coaches should be binned, makes zero sense. Otherwise both Pochettino and Klopp, two of the best around will be gone, and neither of their teams will get better coaches. And Emery at Arsenal will be expected to win from the very start as well by their fans. Arsenal haven’t thrown 110 million at 2 top strikers to stay in the Europa league. So he’ll be expected to get them back to the CL straight away, it’s just madly competitive.

Also, lets be honest here, 40 million is the new 20 million . It’s mad that looking at fees this summer, and I’m like ‘oh that’s a good price’, which is what I thought when I saw they got Fabinho for 40 mill, which quite frankly is insane, cos just 3 years ago it’d been a crazy price. Premier league teams think nothing these days in that league of dropping 20 mill on squad players and youngsters, never mind the prices they pay for ready made first team stars. So whatever teams end up spending, and obviously you guys know this well enough after being one of the biggest spenders last year, is also relative to each club, and being in the CL two years running obviously makes it more viable for them.

So yeah, damn what a ramble! I am done with all this now. Way too many words! Back to short posts in the main forum for me! I never wanted to write that much in the first place. So if you got through it, well done!
 

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