Install the app
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

  • Participation within this subforum is only available to members who have had 5+ posts approved elsewhere.

ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

Status
Not open for further replies.
scotchbutterpin said:
This clearly isn't true. Hit hit his peno well. The keeper was just equal to it. Dier's peno was worse.
Anyhow the funniest part was seeing him sink to his knees afterwards. I'd say he did a little poo down his leg at the thought of being the one to have sent England packing. :D
Click to expand...

Lol anyone who thinks that was a good penalty doesn't get football. It was telegraphed, hit softly and at the perfect height for the goalie. It was reasonably well placed, literally the only thing it had going for it.

One of the worst penalties of the tournament.
 
scotchbutterpin said:
This clearly isn't true. Hit hit his peno well. The keeper was just equal to it. Dier's peno was worse.
Anyhow the funniest part was seeing him sink to his knees afterwards. I'd say he did a little poo down his leg at the thought of being the one to have sent England packing. :D
Click to expand...
it was telegraphed straight from his run up, very obvious where it was going and ospina could dive to his left with conviction, poor technique
 

Borussin said:
Of course I have no idea how it will go for Klopp now at Liverpool without Buvac time will only tell. But baring something really crazy happening next season, they’d be mad to want him gone regardless of what they win or don’t.

i look at the PL and the fanbases, and often feel the perspective doesn’t match the reality. Football has changed in the premier league over the past 10 plus years whether people like it or not, focus has changed. but the focus of fans especially at big clubs with big histories like Everton and Liverpool, hasn’t changed, i.e. that all that matters is winning stuff. Nothing wrong with that of course. But what it does create often is a situation that when someone doesn’t win something, it’s seen as the only defining moment in what they are employed to achieve, whereas the reality is, it isn’t.

At Liverpool, its clear to me from the outside looking in, that now finally for the first time in years and years, they have a clear defined path of how to move forward, they have the ability to attract better players, and are back in the CL in back to back seasons for the first time in ages. That is their priority, whether the fans like it or not. To get that stability first and foremost.

And that is down to one man - their manager. I see the exact parallels at Liverpool as I did at Dortmund. His ability to create a harmony, from top to bottom, from owner to fans. (Not owner in BVB’s case, but president and CEO on down). He has little ego, he doesn’t need to have the plaudits and power the way many coaches do, so he works extremely well in a collective. It’s exactly as it was here. And we saw when he left how quickly that can be broken. It took just 6 months under Tuchel to realize that harmony and unity was being torn down, with the coach pulling in a different direction to the CEO, sporting director and scouts. So we ended up making a number of poor signings to appease the coach while also signing the young players we wanted - that equated to a mess of a bloated squad which we are now trying to sort out! What I am saying is in a long winded way - things can go wrong very quickly.

So basically, baring major disaster, them (the club, the fans, the press, whoever) pressurizing him out of a job would be the worst thing they can do. Cos they won’t get anyone near his level next time. They where lucky to get him in the first place.

The ‘big 6’ in the premier league are in two distinct groups - 2 Manchester clubs who are far and away the richest and top 2 in the league. And Chelsea, who have been on that level for 12 plus years - but are in a bit of an odd situation now I know. But they are still very strong. Then you have Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal.

All of them wants to win, all their fans expect them to win, as do fans of Everton of course, the reality is though, there are only 3 things to win, and when you compete with the likes of City, United and Chelsea domestically, and Barcelona, Madrid, PSG, Juventus, Bayern Munich etc on an European stage. It’s damn hard. So why should not winning mean good coaches should be binned, makes zero sense. Otherwise both Pochettino and Klopp, two of the best around will be gone, and neither of their teams will get better coaches. And Emery at Arsenal will be expected to win from the very start as well by their fans. Arsenal haven’t thrown 110 million at 2 top strikers to stay in the Europa league. So he’ll be expected to get them back to the CL straight away, it’s just madly competitive.

Also, lets be honest here, 40 million is the new 20 million . It’s mad that looking at fees this summer, and I’m like ‘oh that’s a good price’, which is what I thought when I saw they got Fabinho for 40 mill, which quite frankly is insane, cos just 3 years ago it’d been a crazy price. Premier league teams think nothing these days in that league of dropping 20 mill on squad players and youngsters, never mind the prices they pay for ready made first team stars. So whatever teams end up spending, and obviously you guys know this well enough after being one of the biggest spenders last year, is also relative to each club, and being in the CL two years running obviously makes it more viable for them.

So yeah, damn what a ramble! I am done with all this now. Way too many words! Back to short posts in the main forum for me! I never wanted to write that much in the first place. So if you got through it, well done!
Click to expand...

You write away mate, I can't lecture anyone on long meandering posts!

I think Klopp is a good fit, but I saw them turn on Houllier and also Benitez who had both achieved significantly more than Klopp but had gone a season or two without a trophy. In Houlliers case he was sacked for finishing 4th!

I agree 40 million in many ways is a small figure, however it is a qualitative jump from what Liverpool have done under FSG. They have shifted from a recruitment approach which was centred on value, to one which is now heavily reliant on obscurity with no issues about price. If Klopp has a team made up of lads bought for 30-75 million pounds I don't believe that will be good enough for them. Their fans have the same mentality as Real Madrid.

What you say about Klopp is right, but you are looking at it from a logical perspective, through the eyes of a German fan of Dortmund and see that they are not a super club. They are a big club but not in the same league as Real Madrid and have fallen behind the two Manchester teams. So within that context Klopp is doing well. They will never accept that logic. A crescendo will be built and if he doesn't deliver he will go. I agree the next appointment will find it very difficult (much as Hodgson did post Benitez).

The issue the PL has, it is has too many elite teams as it were. 5 of Europes top 10 teams in terms of resources are in the PL. It leads to an uneven, at times anarchic league. In Germany you have 1 Bayern Munich and lots of teams who then operate somewhere between Spurs to Everton levels. In Spain you have similar but Real Madrid/Barcelona. In Italy you have Juventus and France PSG. We have the 2 Manchester teams, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. It means sides end up getting bogged down far more.

If you look at Dortmund, your goal is simple, you finish "best of the rest" and hope Bayern have a difficult season. For Klopp he was very adept at that. It's a different ballgame though if you have 5 Bayerns in the league!

Either way, I'm not saying it goes tits up for Klopp. He has every opportunity to succeed this year, but if he doesn't I suspect he will come under enormous pressure. I also believe if he were to go he would leave them in a hole (much like how Dortmund were halfway through his final season) and the club would struggle to recover as Dortmund have done.
 
catcherintherye said:
You write away mate, I can't lecture anyone on long meandering posts!

I think Klopp is a good fit, but I saw them turn on Houllier and also Benitez who had both achieved significantly more than Klopp but had gone a season or two without a trophy. In Houlliers case he was sacked for finishing 4th!

I agree 40 million in many ways is a small figure, however it is a qualitative jump from what Liverpool have done under FSG. They have shifted from a recruitment approach which was centred on value, to one which is now heavily reliant on obscurity with no issues about price. If Klopp has a team made up of lads bought for 30-75 million pounds I don't believe that will be good enough for them. Their fans have the same mentality as Real Madrid.

What you say about Klopp is right, but you are looking at it from a logical perspective, through the eyes of a German fan of Dortmund and see that they are not a super club. They are a big club but not in the same league as Real Madrid and have fallen behind the two Manchester teams. So within that context Klopp is doing well. They will never accept that logic. A crescendo will be built and if he doesn't deliver he will go. I agree the next appointment will find it very difficult (much as Hodgson did post Benitez).

The issue the PL has, it is has too many elite teams as it were. 5 of Europes top 10 teams in terms of resources are in the PL. It leads to an uneven, at times anarchic league. In Germany you have 1 Bayern Munich and lots of teams who then operate somewhere between Spurs to Everton levels. In Spain you have similar but Real Madrid/Barcelona. In Italy you have Juventus and France PSG. We have the 2 Manchester teams, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. It means sides end up getting bogged down far more.

If you look at Dortmund, your goal is simple, you finish "best of the rest" and hope Bayern have a difficult season. For Klopp he was very adept at that. It's a different ballgame though if you have 5 Bayerns in the league!

Either way, I'm not saying it goes tits up for Klopp. He has every opportunity to succeed this year, but if he doesn't I suspect he will come under enormous pressure. I also believe if he were to go he would leave them in a hole (much like how Dortmund were halfway through his final season) and the club would struggle to recover as Dortmund have done.
Click to expand...
Spurs are a far bigger threat to the Manchester clubs than arsenal Chelsea or Liverpool
 
Steve0 said:
Lol anyone who thinks that was a good penalty doesn't get football. It was telegraphed, hit softly and at the perfect height for the goalie. It was reasonably well placed, literally the only thing it had going for it.

One of the worst penalties of the tournament.
Click to expand...

He might as well of phoned him up the night before and told him which way he was going to go.
 
Skamp said:
It is a contract extension as he signed a 5 year contract last year. I don't think any Liverpool fans are "very, very worried" or even remotely so.

Your mental gymnastics re: LFC are wonderful. How you manage to put a negative spin on everything and convince yourself that Liverpool will be like Leeds in 2-3 years is truly Walter Mitty-esque!

Great reading though, especially given Everton's predicament the past few years....
Click to expand...
20 million pound to extend his contract by 12 months, when you are desperate you will pay anything.
 

havrey0123 said:
Where are people pulling 300m from.
115m of that came from fsg as loan to Liverpool for the new stand interest free, similar to how moshiri gave and interest free loan to Everton.
The new stand takes in 15m a season (with cl football), in 8 seasons it pays off it self.
They have an additional 75m to spend this season to getting to the cl final. Hence fabiniho and Keita signings.

Expect them to raise around 60m selling players like sturridge, markovich, lallana karius, mignolet, clyne, gets around 450k a week off the books which raises funds for a fekir type player.

That leaves a keeper to buy which will be from their own pocket, they will probably use next seasons cl money as collateral for that.

It's not rocket science to see what there doing and how they are doing it. And no I'm not a kopite but comparing them to Leeds when there net spend since klopp has been there before this transfer window is zero is ridiculous.
Click to expand...
If Liverpool get 60 million for those players I'm phoning the fraud squad.
 

Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome to GrandOldTeam

Get involved. Registration is simple and free.

Register
Back
Top