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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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These weapons are going to take some beating IMO, they will come out the traps flying.

I read this very interesting piece regarding Jose, a few bits caught my eye.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45017413


Manchester City's only summer signing is Riyad Mahrez, an attacking player the champions arguably do not need. Tottenham have signed no-one yet. Arsenal's most expensive addition of the brief Unai Emery era so far is Uruguay midfielder Lucas Torreira who, at £26m, cost just over half the £47m United have spent on Fred. Chelsea did not even appoint their new manager, Maurizio Sarri, until after pre-season training had started.

Of all the major clubs, Liverpool are the ones who appear to have significant forward momentum. Yet three of their four major signings - midfielders Naby Keita and Fabinho, and goalkeeper Alisson - have never played in the Premier League before.

So, while it is easy to feel United are going backwards, it can be argued that if Mourinho gets more from the players he has already invested so much in, they won't be far away from the major prizes.

What does it mean for United's season?
As with all clubs, results can quickly change perceptions.

The Red Devils open the Premier League as a whole when they entertain Leicester on 10 August.

Mourinho has already highlighted how much easier the build-up to the new campaign has been for Foxes boss Claude Puel, given so few of his players were at the World Cup in Russia.

This is true. But Jamie Vardy and Harry Maguire were away with England until the semi-final stage, and Mahrez has been sold.

Will they cause an upset on the opening day? Perhaps not; it is so long since Leicester won at Old Trafford the match-winner, in 1998, was Tony Cottee.

The Foxes may have won the Premier League more recently than United, yet nothing that has happened since suggests they are close to the level Mourinho's side are capable of reaching on home soil.

After that, United have trips to Brighton and Burnley, who could be going into the game on the back of a sixth successive Thursday night appearance in the Europa League.

Between those two away fixtures is a Monday night date with Tottenham on 27 August. As well as not making a signing so far this summer, Spurs had eight players involved on the last weekend of the World Cup, compared to United's seven.

So of all the big clubs expected to be challenging for major honours, Spurs are arguably in an even worse situation than United when it comes to their preparation for what lies ahead.

As Arsenal have matches against Manchester City and Chelsea over the first two weekends, it leaves Liverpool as the only 'big-six' club who do not meet a rival before the first international break.

So, while Mourinho has legitimate grounds to grumble at the difficult build-up he is having to work around, most of his managerial adversaries are in a similar position.

By the time that Burnley trip is done and the top-flight season halts for its first international break, much more will be known about where United - and everybody else for that matter - actually are.

@micknick
 
Gueye was quality a few seasons back so not surprised he comes out well, but you can still see the vast difference between the two attacking wise and that's the thing with Naby, he's a unique one. The guy's markers are very good both defensively and attacking. Gueye is a DM and his stats look very much of one. When he has to do anything in the final third, he's not very good at football at all.

Those Fred stats are from the Ukranian league? Pretty much redundant. By the way is that 'Completed dribbles' or 'Attempted dribbles'. One look at Fred and you can see a limited sort. Find it hard to believe he matches up with Keita there. Fred doesn't really stand out for me. Pretty sure we'll be adding him to the list of duds they've signed over the last few seasons. Think it was one summer when we both brought Depay and Firmino in the same week. Fair to say we've ended up better off. Same will apply with the Keita and Fred signings. We'll be laughing at the comparison in a few years.

Anyway it goes beyond stats, one look at Naby and you can see he is a bit special. His ability to beat off an opponent with his quick bursts is going to be a recurring thing this season. Oh and the guy can pick a pass too. Incredible eye and weight of pass on him. Like Sturridge said, he's not seen anyone like him. In his 6 years here, never really heard Sturridge speak in praise of his teammates. Sturridge is that sort i guess, but Keita has obviously impressed him a lot.

Fair enough mate, we will have to see. Klopp has a unique ability to improve players signed and he may well do the same again. From what I've seen in the flesh Keita is a good midfield player, as you'd expect for 55 million or whatever it was. His stats indicate as much. I haven't seen a world leading midfielder yet, but to be fair Salah's record wasn't an awful lot better than good either and he looked a world beater last season so you have to see. (the same is probably true for Mane as well and Robertson).
 

Liverpool almost win league in 13/14, Mourinho wins the league 14/15

Liverpool lose 15/16 league cup final, Mourinho wins 16/17 league cup

Liverpool lose 15/16 Europa League Final
Mourinho wins 16/17 Europa League

Liverpool lose 17/18 Champions league......
Didn't happen. Please stop making things up. You're just making yourself look silly.
 
Standing still comment was aimed at Spurs, but you can aim that at those too. Signing Fred and Dalot is certainly 'standing still'. Mourinho even admitting that yesterday by stating they're the same as last season.

Not even worried about them. Think they'll miss out on top 4 to Spurs and one of Chelsea/Arsenal. They'll be looking for a new manager by the end.

I'll be shocked if they're within 6 points of us. I have us down for 85-90 points and them at around 70-75. Truly expect the gap to be at double digits. They overperformed last season. All the stats revealing how much ahead of their ExpG they were. They won't get lucky again this season. Think they'll finish 6th.

Mourinho's teams will always do well on xg, he is very organised and sides take chances at key moments. I sense Klopp's teams will always slightly underperform it (as do Peps, you should see his for the first season). They also have De Gea, who is nothing short of a miracle worker at times. I saw him at Goodison one year, we were the better team, but had Howard in goal and somehow lost 3-0. Another game we battered them at OT, he saved a penalty, made about 3 other top saves (including one of the best saves I've ever seen off Oviedo). Again they won 2-1.

My belief on Manchester United is they go one way or the other this season. Mourinho tends to get to a moment where it all implodes and I think that probably comes for Manchester United too. It was normally the 4th season but increasingly it has been the 3rd. Could go either way. That being said, if Pogba and Lukaku kick on and he gets a tune out of Sanchez they are a very dangerous team.

All joking aside I see you as third currently (depending on Manchester United). City have built a fantastic core of young players and Mahrez is a fantastic signing for me (i'm surprised you didn't get him after Coutinho left). You don't see them doing much worse this season and Laporte/Stones could really kick on.

As I've indicated the worry I have with Klopp is post Buvac and post World Cup is a big grey area for me.
 
Mods...this is supposed to be a Everton laugh at Liverpool thread.
Can we please ban our deluded red friends if I wanted to see their delusion
I would sign up to an rs site.
Don't really want their debate and delusion on here and to be fair I'm sick of it.
Please just get rid you know it will get nasty soon
 

Standing still comment was aimed at Spurs, but you can aim that at those too. Signing Fred and Dalot is certainly 'standing still'. Mourinho even admitting that yesterday by stating they're the same as last season.

Not even worried about them. Think they'll miss out on top 4 to Spurs and one of Chelsea/Arsenal. They'll be looking for a new manager by the end.

I'll be shocked if they're within 6 points of us. I have us down for 85-90 points and them at around 70-75. Truly expect the gap to be at double digits. They overperformed last season. All the stats revealing how much ahead of their ExpG they were. They won't get lucky again this season. Think they'll finish 6th.

ExpG - whats that ya blimp, are you Lawro in disguise, stop blabbering Kopite jibber jabber, your not on RAWK now with your alternative reality table with "Andy from Allerton" bumming Norwegians left right and center as you "In Some Ways Welcome Home" every sweaty arse biff you sign to your final jigsaw piece....



""If i'm being so wacky, who do the bookies have down as second favourites this season? ""


Cos every saddo nut job who supports your dickless energy sapping enuch sweaty mam-nipple-suckling lifestyle have got nothing better to do than spend your dough on red bin bag shirts, shin pads with dead pigeons on and bets that "its your year", there's enough of you pissypants out there with your pocket money to shift the odds in your favour, I believe thats why they call you "marks" in the human world....

But hey what do I know, the king kopshoite these days is your lord and master John Bishop, you'se all aspire to be like the scousiest scouser of all time who's never managed to live in the Liverpool area, (Runcorn for 3 years when he was 4, the posh bit???) but sports an accent like he was spawned out of trampy aldo's anal cavity after he was bummed by Tarby and Boardy, Wacky.... go ed lad..........................................................................................................
 
ExpG - whats that ya blimp, are you Lawro in disguise, stop blabbering Kopite jibber jabber, your not on RAWK now with your alternative reality table with "Andy from Allerton" bumming Norwegians left right and center as you "In Some Ways Welcome Home" every sweaty arse biff you sign to your final jigsaw piece....



""If i'm being so wacky, who do the bookies have down as second favourites this season? ""


Cos every saddo nut job who supports your dickless energy sapping enuch sweaty mam-nipple-suckling lifestyle have got nothing better to do than spend your dough on red bin bag shirts, shin pads with dead pigeons on and bets that "its your year", there's enough of you pissypants out there with your pocket money to shift the odds in your favour, I believe thats why they call you "marks" in the human world....

But hey what do I know, the king kopshoite these days is your lord and master John Bishop, you'se all aspire to be like the scousiest scouser of all time who's never managed to live in the Liverpool area, (Runcorn for 3 years when he was 4, the posh bit???) but sports an accent like he was spawned out of trampy aldo's anal cavity after he was bummed by Tarby and Boardy, Wacky.... go ed lad..........................................................................................................


In tears here. Well done.
 
ExpG - whats that ya blimp, are you Lawro in disguise, stop blabbering Kopite jibber jabber, your not on RAWK now with your alternative reality table with "Andy from Allerton" bumming Norwegians left right and center as you "In Some Ways Welcome Home" every sweaty arse biff you sign to your final jigsaw piece....



""If i'm being so wacky, who do the bookies have down as second favourites this season? ""


Cos every saddo nut job who supports your dickless energy sapping enuch sweaty mam-nipple-suckling lifestyle have got nothing better to do than spend your dough on red bin bag shirts, shin pads with dead pigeons on and bets that "its your year", there's enough of you pissypants out there with your pocket money to shift the odds in your favour, I believe thats why they call you "marks" in the human world....

But hey what do I know, the king kopshoite these days is your lord and master John Bishop, you'se all aspire to be like the scousiest scouser of all time who's never managed to live in the Liverpool area, (Runcorn for 3 years when he was 4, the posh bit???) but sports an accent like he was spawned out of trampy aldo's anal cavity after he was bummed by Tarby and Boardy, Wacky.... go ed lad..........................................................................................................
Top, top ranting.
 

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