ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

[arch stanton]

Why do you keep ignoring the massive losses on Everton's player values from cost when Liverpool have none?

because this is the laugh at the RS thread

 

[KaiserEFC]

This thread is embarrassing.

 

[aazak]

 

[catcherintherye]

Klopp is crying about Ramos again. That loss will haunt him forever. He can say what he wants, he cantnever erase that defeat, it’s going to eat away at him. The season hasn’t even started and he already is acting like a drunk brawler at press conferences having pops at Guardiola Mourinho Ramos. If he hits a rocky patch this season there’s a meltdown coming.

I'm amazed he is still banging on about that? Sarah tried a snide foul on him, Ramos protected himself and Salah bruised his shoulder and whipped off, to ensure he was fit for the World Cup. Having played centre half, had Salah tried such shitbag tactics on me he'd have had a lot worse than a bruised shoulder.

Either way Klopp continuing to bang on about it is not good news for them. To be successful you need to be forward looking. I think it shows that loss has affected him which is surprising given he is somewhat of an expert in failure when it comes to finals. You'd have thought he'd get used to it now.

I hope he keeps going on about it into the new year. They have a nasty turn of fixtures around the 5th week of the season around the same time as the CL begins. Lets hope they don't have an abnormally difficult group again. I wouldn't rule out a big autumn collapse for these, especially if he doesn't start by getting maximum points during a very easy start to the season.

 

[catcherintherye]

Debt for a club in the top 10 turnover in world football is easily serviceable.

In the present top 10-11 clubs in the list,only Bayern Munich,PSG and City are debt free,one has a monstrous Commercial enterprise and a monopoly over a country and league and the other 2 are owned by oil rich human rights abusing dictator regimes in the ME.

Debt levels from google search of aforementioned clubs in the top turnovers list.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/premier-league-finances-club-guide-2016-17 for English debts.

Juve €229million.
United £482million (Net debt £212)
Chelsea Owe Abramovich £1 billion and rising.
RS £202 million. £72 million bank loan, £130million owed to FSG (i'm guessing main stand expansion loan) that's from The Guardian article above.
Spurs Reported last week to have 4 loans combined worth over £500 million that have to be paid within 5 years.
Arsenal £47 million.
Real Madrid €250 million.
Barcelona €247 million.

And any of these clubs do go under as we have seen there is always a sugar daddy to bail them out,FSG bought the RS for the price of the club debt and the richest man in the UK tried to buy Chelsea last month for £2 billion.

Look at AC Milan they got taken over by a Chinese fraudster with no money and now Paul Singer the vulture capitalist has taken over the club with his $39 billion worth of assets hedge fund,this is a guy who got a cool $5 billion cheque from Argentina for after he loaned them a couple of hundred million dollars during their cash crisis in the early 2000's,Billionaires today love football clubs and they all want one.

A lot of this is fair. Most of the clubs you mention have modern stadium in far better situated locations than Anfield which certainly helps (it has held us back too).

FSG bought LFC because the establishment made sure they didn't have to pay their debts back. Had the establishment not bailed them out FSG wouldn't have touched them, and neither would anyone else.

FSG are far more astute than the last lot though, and won't be bitten in the same way, there is no way they get to make them pay the penalty for the spending of the club. If it goes tits up again and they go bankrupt they need to face the consequences.

Yes billionaires do come in, but the one at AC Milan is far from evidence of a good owner. In a lot of cases they bleed the club, especially when it's on it's knees. We can but hope.

 

[canuckblue]

Another ignorant Euro kopite.

 

[HongKongToffee]

A lot of this is fair. Most of the clubs you mention have modern stadium in far better situated locations than Anfield which certainly helps (it has held us back too).

FSG bought LFC because the establishment made sure they didn't have to pay their debts back. Had the establishment not bailed them out FSG wouldn't have touched them, and neither would anyone else.

FSG are far more astute than the last lot though, and won't be bitten in the same way, there is no way they get to make them pay the penalty for the spending of the club. If it goes tits up again and they go bankrupt they need to face the consequences.

Yes billionaires do come in, but the one at AC Milan is far from evidence of a good owner. In a lot of cases they bleed the club, especially when it's on it's knees. We can but hope.

Stadium location doesn't really matter if the fans want to see their team,Spurs have built a brand new stadium in one of the most deprived and crime ridden areas in the UK in Haringey North London,an area where the flash point for the 2011 London riots started.

Our Match day revenue for the 2016-2017 season was £14 million while the RS was £74 million and that was without European football for them and ranked 3rd behind Arsenal £100 million and United £107 million and 4th place was Man City £51 million who all had CL match days that season.

Speaking of establishment,Real Madrid had a £400 million debt in the late 1990's and the King of Spain intervened and got the Madrid Council to buy their training complex for the exact price of the debt and Madrid ended upbuying it back for peanuts.A couple of seasons later they started their Galactico project as they were debt free and started breaking world record fees for Zidane and Figo etc,Barca have been propped up Catalan banks for decades.

Didn't the former owners of the RS have a £300 million loan with RBS,and when they couldn't make a interest payment on the loan that made RBS take action to find a buyer of the club for the price of the RBS loan.If i recall RBS had just been giving a relief package from the Uk tax payer as they were on the brink of going out of business during the 2008 banking crisis and were under pressure to call that debt in.

Leeds and Portsmouth will never happen for the established top 6 teams,their revenues are just to big to now,these clubs are just to savvy at building and growing revenue streams.

 

[Kurt.]

Stadium location doesn't really matter if the fans want to see their team,Spurs have built a brand new stadium in one of the most deprived and crime ridden areas in the UK in Haringey North London,an area where the flash point for the 2011 London riots started.

Our Match day revenue for the 2016-2017 season was £14 million while the RS was £74 million and that was without European football for them and ranked 3rd behind Arsenal £100 million and United £107 million and 4th place was Man City £51 million who all had CL match days that season.

Speaking of establishment,Real Madrid had a £400 million debt in the late 1990's and the King of Spain intervened and got the Madrid Council to buy their training complex for the exact price of the debt and Madrid ended upbuying it back for peanuts.A couple of seasons later they started their Galactico project as they were debt free and started breaking world record fees for Zidane and Figo etc,Barca have been propped up Catalan banks for decades.

Didn't the former owners of the RS have a £300 million loan with RBS,and when they couldn't make a interest payment on the loan that made RBS take action to find a buyer of the club for the price of the RBS loan.If i recall RBS had just been giving a relief package from the Uk tax payer as they were on the brink of going out of business during the 2008 banking crisis and were under pressure to call that debt in.

Leeds and Portsmouth will never happen for the established top 6 teams,their revenues are just to big to now,these clubs are just to savvy at building and growing revenue streams.

First day of a new season and this kopite whopper would rather spend his time on an Everton forum. What a sad individual you are.

 

[Yarrgh]

Stadium location doesn't really matter if the fans want to see their team,Spurs have built a brand new stadium in one of the most deprived and crime ridden areas in the UK in Haringey North London,an area where the flash point for the 2011 London riots started.

Our Match day revenue for the 2016-2017 season was £14 million while the RS was £74 million and that was without European football for them and ranked 3rd behind Arsenal £100 million and United £107 million and 4th place was Man City £51 million who all had CL match days that season.

Speaking of establishment,Real Madrid had a £400 million debt in the late 1990's and the King of Spain intervened and got the Madrid Council to buy their training complex for the exact price of the debt and Madrid ended upbuying it back for peanuts.A couple of seasons later they started their Galactico project as they were debt free and started breaking world record fees for Zidane and Figo etc,Barca have been propped up Catalan banks for decades.

Didn't the former owners of the RS have a £300 million loan with RBS,and when they couldn't make a interest payment on the loan that made RBS take action to find a buyer of the club for the price of the RBS loan.If i recall RBS had just been giving a relief package from the Uk tax payer as they were on the brink of going out of business during the 2008 banking crisis and were under pressure to call that debt in.

Leeds and Portsmouth will never happen for the established top 6 teams,their revenues are just to big to now,these clubs are just to savvy at building and growing revenue streams.

We're so far behind that we'll never even have a fan in Hong Kong.

 

[The_Street_End]

Stadium location doesn't really matter if the fans want to see their team,Spurs have built a brand new stadium in one of the most deprived and crime ridden areas in the UK in Haringey North London,an area where the flash point for the 2011 London riots started.

Our Match day revenue for the 2016-2017 season was £14 million while the RS was £74 million and that was without European football for them and ranked 3rd behind Arsenal £100 million and United £107 million and 4th place was Man City £51 million who all had CL match days that season.

Speaking of establishment,Real Madrid had a £400 million debt in the late 1990's and the King of Spain intervened and got the Madrid Council to buy their training complex for the exact price of the debt and Madrid ended upbuying it back for peanuts.A couple of seasons later they started their Galactico project as they were debt free and started breaking world record fees for Zidane and Figo etc,Barca have been propped up Catalan banks for decades.

Didn't the former owners of the RS have a £300 million loan with RBS,and when they couldn't make a interest payment on the loan that made RBS take action to find a buyer of the club for the price of the RBS loan.If i recall RBS had just been giving a relief package from the Uk tax payer as they were on the brink of going out of business during the 2008 banking crisis and were under pressure to call that debt in.

Leeds and Portsmouth will never happen for the established top 6 teams,their revenues are just to big to now,these clubs are just to savvy at building and growing revenue streams.

Mrs HongKongToffee: What you up to honey?

HongKongToffee: Nothing love, just on a forum

Mrs HongKongToffee: What forum?

HongKongToffee: An Everton one, I'm pretending to be a blue.

Mrs HongKongToffee: I'm taking the kids to me mums, I want a divorce.


Seriously though mate, what's going on in your head to carry on with this charade? It's so bizarre.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Another ignorant Euro kopite.

Or a cheese eating surrender monkey.

 

[macdog]

Or a cheese eating surrender monkey.

...with concussion.

 

[LEONARD]

Will swerve town until at least Tuesday.

Give them all time to vacate the hotels, and fly back to whatever rat hole they come from.

 

[larbert toffee]

A nice little win from the Hammers today and the fume will start from day one, so much will be expected from the RS this season that any sort of mediocrity will be viewed very dimly, Herr Klopp's head could fall off early doors.

 

[nsno-chris]