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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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So what's GOT concensus on them now then?

A lot of reds I know are relieved that they've gotten through their recent run of fixtures relatively unscathed (CL aside) and are still joint top with Chelsea & City despite them being 'nowhere near their best'. They still hold hope that the front 4 will start 'clicking' again at some point, namely Salah.

Personally I can see them going on another good run after the international break. They'll be buoyed by the fact that they're still right in the middle of the 'title race' and I do still see them being there or there abouts around the top come April.

Their Champions League form could be pivotal here though. Based on the opening two games I think it'll be a very tight group - that PSG match in Paris is going to be massive for them and there's been murmurings that some of the players are 'tired' already..
Completely the wrong take on things.

They have had their best ever start to a PL season and are still third. They've already faced and been outplayed/outhought by their two closest "title rivals". The way they play the game saps energy and will tell on a still smallish core of first team players (still smallish because Klopp blew a fortune on mediocrity in the summer) as the season unfolds. They're on a knife edge in the CL and have been dumped out of the LC. Oh, and Salah looks dejected and/or tapped up and resembles Ricky Van Wolfswinkel more than Ruud Van Nistelrooy.
 
Look at this piece of trash. Mentions that they beat city last season about six different times. Totally one eyed kopite bias at its worse, basically lauding everything about them, failing to forget city were actually part of the match and that it was drab because they were defensive, when the RS were the ones playing the defensive game. Then the utter denial of everything that's wrong with them atm by saying how World class their front 3 are and will undeniably score loads again. The best bit though was saying that despite a four game non winning streak they're still joint top. Hahaha, two of the games were in different competitions you doughnut.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45780324
 
That's because any praise that spurs get, in their warped heads think should be given to them. As city, utd and Chelsea win everything going, they have tried to take the moral high ground to mask not being a true top club that wins trophies. They convinced themselves that they are the working man's club up against the evil money clubs. And that's why they have not won anything because they are at a disadvantage. To them its the next best thing to not actually winning anything, they crave the praise and attention. It kills them to see spurs challenging at the top working within a smaller budget. It disproves their excuses for not winning trophies, and dilutes the attention and praise they crave. Basically their sick and twisted.
 

Definitely a shame.

Thing is, they're not creating chances like last year, a LOT has to 'click' if they want to arrest this slide. Two games a week after the break, and no games like last year where they can switch off mentally and go easy physically, it's going to drain their small, limited squad big time.

Can and Coutinho for Keita and Fabinho has to be the biggest downgrade of any midfield ever. Which is a shame as they cost nearly £100m between them, they could've got Richarlison, Bernard and Gylfi for that money.
Gourmet popcorn there.
 
Completely the wrong take on things.

They have had their best ever start to a PL season and are still third. They've already faced and been outplayed/outhought by their two closest "title rivals". The way they play the game saps energy and will tell on a still smallish core of first team players (still smallish because Klopp blew a fortune on mediocrity in the summer) as the season unfolds. They're on a knife edge in the CL and have been dumped out of the LC. Oh, and Salah looks dejected and/or tapped up and resembles Ricky Van Wolfswinkel more than Ruud Van Nistelrooy.

They are playing up te lack of energy and directness is a tactical change from Klopp.

This would be a departure from everything he has done during his coaching career.

The reality is the lightning quick speed of counter attacks, high pressure game (heavy metal football) they are too tired to perform.

This shouldn't come as a massive surprise. Lads like Lallana and Sturridges bodies have been ravaged by this style of football.

They had a very long season last year, with then a World Cup summer on top. There's not been enough of a break for them to carry out Klopps game plan.

Throw is that he tries to start fast and then dips, it would be very alarming to me that in October the energy wells look quite bare to me. Keita who we were told would be unanimous POTY material hasn't just under performed but looks to be struggling with the rigours involved.

To me the question is no longer will a dip come (as I predicted it has). It isn't necessarily how long the dip will last (or how severe it will be). For me it's will this dip predicate a perfect storm, a crisis on the field where the manager loses his head amongst a difficult moment (ah la the first half of his final season at Dortmund).

Klopp has many strengths. He has a unique brand of football and sticks to his principles. When it's going well it elevates players. However he is also quite hot headed and we are yet to see how he really copes with pressure or criticism. I will let the bottom at Christman with Dortmund, or the fact he got relegated with Mainz perhaps answer how he deals in a crisis.

A manager like for example Benitez was very good in a crisis. His game
management and tactical nous were still there and found a way to make his teams hard to beat. He would thrive on pressure. I'm not sure that's Klopps strength.

Then throw in he will know pressure like never before. It's fine making promises of "next year" but eventually you have to deliver. After the best start ever, the dominant discourse from their fanbase is not just that they can, or will win the league, but they will do so at a canter. That expectation will put enormous additional pressure on.

Look at the fixtures from Watford away (by no means easy with Kabasele back) through through to the new year. Throw in CL games, throw in the mad Christmas schedule, a group of tiring players and a manager who arguably struggles to keep the train on the tracks if it starts to turn, and you can see a potential problem point in those games.
 
The kopites seem to have some weird obsession with your lot I've noticed.
That's because any praise that spurs get, in their warped heads think should be given to them. As city, utd and Chelsea win everything going, they have tried to take the moral high ground to mask not being a true top club that wins trophies. They convinced themselves that they are the working man's club up against the evil money clubs. And that's why they have not won anything because they are at a disadvantage. To them its the next best thing to not actually winning anything, they crave the praise and attention. It kills them to see spurs challenging at the top working within a smaller budget. It disproves their excuses for not winning trophies, and dilutes the attention and praise they crave. Basically their sick and twisted.
I just said this to a workmate (A West Ham fan) who said you guys are bang in the race.

The reality is, that Kane hasn't got started yet (and tends to explode as the season goes on) Alli has a lot to give and Son is still to return. You get those 3 right and you are right in the mix.

1. Agreed, the obsession they have with us is extremely weird. Check out Twitter....honestly never seen anything like it.
2. Exactly, they have finished below us for 8 of the last 9 seasons despite spending an absolute fortune. It messes with their heads. The Kane penalty (last minute for 2-2) was the final straw. Sent them over the edge. Funny though.
3. Totally agree. Kane has 6 goals & hasn't really got started. Alli, Eriksen, Demblele & Vertonghen injured (Vertonghen the most serious at up to 6 weeks out), Son is still knackered from the WC & Asian games.

Pochettino made me laugh today, putting a bit of pressure on the RS & others

"We take our decision to think about football and the club, too, while our contenders only think about football and try and improve the team only to win. That is a massive difference between us and the rest of the contenders. We can win a title but it is not compulsory to win a title, that is the difference. [It is] compulsory to the team that has spent a lot of money but it is not the case for us. With our circumstances, I think we need to party!"
 

They are playing up te lack of energy and directness is a tactical change from Klopp.

This would be a departure from everything he has done during his coaching career.

The reality is the lightning quick speed of counter attacks, high pressure game (heavy metal football) they are too tired to perform.

This shouldn't come as a massive surprise. Lads like Lallana and Sturridges bodies have been ravaged by this style of football.

They had a very long season last year, with then a World Cup summer on top. There's not been enough of a break for them to carry out Klopps game plan.

Throw is that he tries to start fast and then dips, it would be very alarming to me that in October the energy wells look quite bare to me. Keita who we were told would be unanimous POTY material hasn't just under performed but looks to be struggling with the rigours involved.

To me the question is no longer will a dip come (as I predicted it has). It isn't necessarily how long the dip will last (or how severe it will be). For me it's will this dip predicate a perfect storm, a crisis on the field where the manager loses his head amongst a difficult moment (ah la the first half of his final season at Dortmund).

Klopp has many strengths. He has a unique brand of football and sticks to his principles. When it's going well it elevates players. However he is also quite hot headed and we are yet to see how he really copes with pressure or criticism. I will let the bottom at Christman with Dortmund, or the fact he got relegated with Mainz perhaps answer how he deals in a crisis.

A manager like for example Benitez was very good in a crisis. His game
management and tactical nous were still there and found a way to make his teams hard to beat. He would thrive on pressure. I'm not sure that's Klopps strength.

Then throw in he will know pressure like never before. It's fine making promises of "next year" but eventually you have to deliver. After the best start ever, the dominant discourse from their fanbase is not just that they can, or will win the league, but they will do so at a canter. That expectation will put enormous additional pressure on.

Look at the fixtures from Watford away (by no means easy with Kabasele back) through through to the new year. Throw in CL games, throw in the mad Christmas schedule, a group of tiring players and a manager who arguably struggles to keep the train on the tracks if it starts to turn, and you can see a potential problem point in those games.
Klopp hasn't had to deal with a British press scenting blood yet. I think that this may be the year if they have a bit of a bad run. It's to his credit that he has managed the team such that there have been no crisis points up to now under him ... but they're coming soon ...
 
1. Agreed, the obsession they have with us is extremely weird. Check out Twitter....honestly never seen anything like it.
2. Exactly, they have finished below us for 8 of the last 9 seasons despite spending an absolute fortune. It messes with their heads. The Kane penalty (last minute for 2-2) was the final straw. Sent them over the edge. Funny though.
3. Totally agree. Kane has 6 goals & hasn't really got started. Alli, Eriksen, Demblele & Vertonghen injured (Vertonghen the most serious at up to 6 weeks out), Son is still knackered from the WC & Asian games.

Pochettino made me laugh today, putting a bit of pressure on the RS & others

"We take our decision to think about football and the club, too, while our contenders only think about football and try and improve the team only to win. That is a massive difference between us and the rest of the contenders. We can win a title but it is not compulsory to win a title, that is the difference. [It is] compulsory to the team that has spent a lot of money but it is not the case for us. With our circumstances, I think we need to party!"
Why do they have it in for Tottenham? Is it because of point 2, finishing behind you all the time?
 
Why do they have it in for Tottenham? Is it because of point 2, finishing behind you all the time?

For a small period Spurs were getting a bit of good press for building a title winning team around a British core. This was absolutely unacceptable for the Kopites who have been fed a diet of total media limelight. Now that the press is back to questioning Pochettino they’re not as bothered. If Kane or Alli start dominating again and Spurs get on a run their hatred will be back out.
 
Look at this piece of trash. Mentions that they beat city last season about six different times. Totally one eyed kopite bias at its worse, basically lauding everything about them, failing to forget city were actually part of the match and that it was drab because they were defensive, when the RS were the ones playing the defensive game. Then the utter denial of everything that's wrong with them atm by saying how World class their front 3 are and will undeniably score loads again. The best bit though was saying that despite a four game non winning streak they're still joint top. Hahaha, two of the games were in different competitions you doughnut.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45780324
What do you expect from that 'kin rat faced get McNulty though? He made it his job to hound Joe Royle out of a job while doing Peter Johnson's bidding for him when he worked for the Echo.

Utter pond scum.
 

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