ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

[davek]

You meet some people in life who are good under pressure. Then you meet others who excel when they are in their "zone". It's like golf, some players can shoot the ball around -8 and be aggressive in attacking every pin, however if the wind gets up, or an aspect of their game is under par they will unravel quickly. Thats really Klopp. He's a very positive, optimistic manager who is great when things go well, but I wouldn't trust him in a crisis, as he won't change direction or gear to solve it.

The other factor in this is Buvac has gone, who was meant to be the brains behind the strategy while club was the front man. Losing someone who you've always worked with is critical, especially if things start going wrong.

I don't think anyone could quibble with my assessment so far. We have seen a fast start, we have now seen a dip. We could easily see the dip becoming a crisis. Both Houllier and Benitez fell from grace spectacularly from a far greater position than what Klopp is in. In both cases it unravelled very quickly. That was the pre-social media age.

It sounds fanciful atm, but I wouldn't rule out Liverpool falling from the top 4 (let's face it, there are now a lot of teams back in contention) and Klopp coming uner real pressure to save his job before the end of the season. I agree, it can and does end quickly at Liverpool. That's how they do things in recent years. Whatsmore, there is a lot of their fans who have never taken to Klopp. It would cause a fuss but there would be a lot of approving voices too.

We're still miles off that scenario like. However, you can see the change in assessment from most people now after their last 4 nothing/alarming performances. They are in third with a share of the lead, but they are also on the ropes a little bit.

I smell fear from Klopp in his interviews and i sense Kopites begining to roll their eyes again at another approaching boom-bust cycle.

 

[neil999]

It sounds fanciful atm, but I wouldn't rule out Liverpool falling from the top 4 (let's face it, there are now a lot of teams back in contention) and Klopp coming uner real pressure to save his job before the end of the season. I agree, it can and does end quickly at Liverpool. That's how they do things in recent years. Whatsmore, there is a lot of their fans who have never taken to Klopp. It would cause a fuss but there would be a lot of approving voices too.

We're still miles off that scenario like. However, you can see the change in assessment from most people now after their last 4 nothing/alarming performances. They are in third with a share of the lead, but they are also on the ropes a little bit.

I smell fear from Klopp in his interviews and i sense Kopites begining to roll their eyes again at another approaching boom-bust cycle.

if wasnt for utd imploding top 4 would be a real problem, arsenal could well finish above them

 

[Blueclouds]

How can they be tired already? Why did they play so many pre season games

 

[Kurt.]

I’m getting worried now... really worried

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[Saint Domingo]

You meet some people in life who are good under pressure. Then you meet others who excel when they are in their "zone". It's like golf, some players can shoot the ball around -8 and be aggressive in attacking every pin, however if the wind gets up, or an aspect of their game is under par they will unravel quickly. Thats really Klopp. He's a very positive, optimistic manager who is great when things go well, but I wouldn't trust him in a crisis, as he won't change direction or gear to solve it.

The other factor in this is Buvac has gone, who was meant to be the brains behind the strategy while club was the front man. Losing someone who you've always worked with is critical, especially if things start going wrong.

I don't think anyone could quibble with my assessment so far. We have seen a fast start, we have now seen a dip. We could easily see the dip becoming a crisis. Both Houllier and Benitez fell from grace spectacularly from a far greater position than what Klopp is in. In both cases it unravelled very quickly. That was the pre-social media age.

Since Buvac left their record against top opposition looks like this:

Roma: lost 4-2
Chelsea: lost 1-0
Madrid: lost 3-1
Spurs: won 2-1
PSG: won 3-2
Chelsea: lost 2-1
Chelsea: drew 1-1
Napoli: lost 1-0
City: drew 1-1

When you consider that they were a penalty miss away from losing to City, a worldie saved them at Chelsea, and Spurs were denied a pen to draw the game it doesn’t make for great reading for Klopp’s big game ability.

In his first season he dismantled Chelsea and City away from home. They couldn’t live with their brand of football. Slowly but surely the top managers have caught onto it. Sarri, Ancelotti and Guardiola have all displayed in the last week or so that any sort of half decent possession football will do for this version of Liverpool.

 

[Blues Harp]

He got 3 goals in a game against Panama. 2 of them penos. And wins the 'Golden boot' for that. Embarrassing.

Hmmmm....the farce is strong in this one...lol

 

[PITA]

Such a shame they scraped draws against PSG, Chelsea and City as their season would be looking very ropey now but their performances, or lack of, are very encouraging that they are on a hiding to nothing this season.

They have an easier run of games coming up but outside of their trip to Wembley against Spurs they haven't looked particularly good against any teams of good quality this season. Even in that game, Tottenham were denied a blatant last gasp penalty.

As usual, the media have appeared to get totally ahead of themselves in declaring the RS as the only team who can stop City, but watching their fans lap it up is always good entertainment. Its been a long time since I've cringed as hard as I did on Saturday with Sky's coverage, Challengers vs Champions was vomit inducing.

They've played 3 top 6 teams. Chelsea and City have played both played 2. Not sure why people are saying they now have an easy run.

 

[davek]

if wasnt for utd imploding top 4 would be a real problem, arsenal could well finish above them

I'd put Liverpool where they are: bang in the middle of a top five. They're nowhere near as good as Chelsea and City but probably have the edge on Arsenal and Spurs.

There really has been an embarrassing over reaction in the first two months of the season by the Liverpool-worshipping media. They're desperate to get a surge for them going but they're hoping against hope on that. They look well short.

 

[Blues Harp]

Since Buvac left their record against top opposition looks like this:

Roma: lost 4-2
Chelsea: lost 1-0
Madrid: lost 3-1
Spurs: won 2-1
PSG: won 3-2
Chelsea: lost 2-1
Chelsea: drew 1-1
Napoli: lost 1-0
City: drew 1-1

When you consider that they were a penalty miss away from losing to City, a worldie saved them at Chelsea, and Spurs were denied a pen to draw the game it doesn’t make for great reading for Klopp’s big game ability.

In his first season he dismantled Chelsea and City away from home. They couldn’t live with their brand of football. Slowly but surely the top managers have caught onto it. Sarri, Ancelotti and Guardiola have all displayed in the last week or so that any sort of half decent possession football will do for this version of Liverpool.

Just hoping we take a positive attitude in the derby but not go "gung ho"

 

[summerisle]

Eee

 

[maccavennie]

lol

 

[davek]

By the way, did anyone mention Guardiola's wonderful post match put down of Liverpool? "Liverpool are the best in the world at running around".

Ha Ha.

"Pep respeks uz lad. Pep can see wer der main rivuls lad".

 

[LEONARD]

I dedicate this song to Sky sports, the Liverpool Echo, and the RS fanbase.

 

[mahermi1]

Hmmmm....the farce is strong in this one...lol

Haha brilliant lol

 

[Saint Domingo]

Just hoping we take a positive attitude in the derby but not go "gung ho"

Its often overlooked that a Sam Allardyce team drew both games against the best team in the world last season. We were easily the better side at Goodison too.