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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

There really is no game that they fail to win that doesn’t involve a massive scandal of some sort, either a penalty not given/incorrectly awarded to the opposition, wrongly disallowed goal/opposition should’ve had one disallowed, opposition should’ve had a red card, fixtures being played too close to each other, opposition played defensive football which shouldn’t be allowed. Every single time without fail, they have never just deservedly lost a game of football through playing poorly or the opposition being good. I’m absolutely sick of it, it’s not even funny anymore.
 

Fair summary - If I was to hypothesize, I would suggest their biggest problem is not the loss of Van Dijk, but rather the impact of losing Fabinho in front of the back the four, that is their major problem.

They now have a lack of confidence in midfield and at the back, and that means there is a huge disjointedness between MF and forwards, hence the poor performance of front 3, ease at which they can be shut down etc etc.

Secondly - the form of TAA is a huge issue - I know there was talk of long Covid there, but something is very very wrong there, on form you would argue that Milner or Wiliams should be starting

As always lots in that mate.

The loss of Fabinho has been quite important to the midfield. He does ok at the back, but you can turn him. At times yesterday, Southampton could just buy themselves time easily. There was a hectic 15 minutes for the at the start of the 2nd half, but that was it. The Liverpool of the last 2-3 seasons you wouldn;t have been able to play your way out and through them. So yes his legs in midfield are missed.

Some seem to forget, they shipped 7 and had the worst defensive record with Van Dijk in the team. Last nights goal gets scored, with Van Dijk in the team (the defensive line is far far too high).

As for Arnold I suppose you are seeing a couple of things. For his case you have to hope it's not long Covid, as that will be a nightmare to contend with and not go away. There is no cure for that, and there will not be any serious efforts to find one for at least another year. My suspicions are, like most players under Klopp he's been rushed back in before he's got back fully fit again, mixed in to some mean regression for the lad. It's his 1st period of adversity and it's really when you find out about a player, and at present he's "failing" badly. You saw a similar thing, obviously in micro level for Davies here. People work you out and then it's up to you to find more solutions, and for some players thats hard.

At present you wouldn't take him to the Europe. James, Lamptey, Aarons, Trippier & Walker are all playing at a much higher level than him. Goodness even lads like that Walker- Peters on form are much better. It may be what he needs as well, a chance to re-focus on his game and develop some defesive skills outside of the glare of a brutal league. I mean in fairness to him it has taken a longer time to work him out, but he has been shielded by playing for a top team.

That Williams is also massively out of his depth, but Milner could fill in, but you are left with the conundrum being he can't play every week. They need a new right back really, and if I were them I'd be giving Norwich what they wanted for Max Aarons.
 
I think all the hugs are wearing off and they have a problem internally.

Playing Henderson at centre back was Klopp's petty way to get attention of their board to bring in a defender. The money they are losing this season is huge.

Previous they have balanced their "net" spend with a big sale i.e. Sterling, Coutinho plus smaller clubs buying their "squad" players with the exception of Sheffield United (stupid teds) they seem to be in a position of selling before they buy.

The latest Salah comments of him looking to move is interesting because they haven't condemned or tried to cover up because they are setting him up as the cash cow but I can't see Real, Barca or PSG spending over €100m.

All this with their current form, all the media will be spinning their lines all week.

Thats exactly what they are doing. Unfortunately for them Barca are skint and Real will sign MBappe for big money in the summer and Salah will be a secondary consideration if he's available at a cut price. If they don't do the deal then, it will be for a nominal fee a year later with 12months on a contract (they might get 25m for him). So it's probably take 60-70m in the summer or watch the asset lose value.
 
Myself and @number4. had a discussion a while back about this period. I appreciate some think he's a red- I have no idea and in honesty I really don't care either way- he is always a thoughtful and interesting contributor (and don't think he's a red FWIW).

We spoke about this being the period Liverpool (and by proxy Chelsea, Leicester, Spurs and to a degree City) would start to pull away with European games winding up. I didn't think they would, but he felt that all 4 would go on a run of 10 wins in 12 games. Liverpool to my numbers have won 3 from 8 (and oneof those wins was a last minute goal). I don't think there's any doubt as to who was proven correct.

However that wasn't the point of the post. In fairness to him, I actually think his thought processes were sound. IF Liverpool were likely to pull away, it was logical it would be through the December-January period while European competition wound up. This was the window they had, if they wanted to put distance between themselves and the chasing pack, as once European games and to a degree Cup games kick in, fatigue and travel starts to set in again.

As has been noted, that Christmas schedule couldn't have been kinder. No cup games, the longest rest of any side and 2 real gimme games. West Brom they could have stuck their reserves out and won. Newcastle should have been wrappedup at 60 to give a rest. Southampton are decent but at the end of a long and tiring road for them. 2 points and goal from 9 is really damaging, and it can't just be put down to the short term fatigue associated with Xmas.

It would seem to me (as I did highlight in the discussions) that there is a longer term fatigue built into those players. I know the easy answers are that they're allegedly not doping- which I simply don't believe are credible as rumours. More likely is a mixture of little-no pre season mixed in with age concerns of the squad (one of the oldest in the league) and the mileage in the legs they've gone through now finally catching up with them. The difficulty for them, is they get 1 of those 3 resolved for next season at best (there's no guarentees, with a Euro's and Olympics the way things are that we automatically get a proper pre-season). The other 2 points- they only get older and the players who are left standing are having to put unbelievabe mileage on their legs as Klopp simply won't rotate.

That would be my concern if I watched them. Sure they will get a mini break of 10-11 days going into United, but they had a similar break going into West Brom and in honesty it's had the adverse affect. Quite a few red mates I have have said that acually having a 7+ day break has rarely done them good in the 1st fixture back but they tend to catch it up from fixture 2-3 onwards. Thats them playing at peak though. With them running on empty, lacking confidence etc,what if that 1 game to recover becomes 2-3 poor games and the average games before htting top speed becomes 2-3. That would be 5-6 games before they really hit their stride again (assuming a simple 10 day break will be enough- which given whats happened it may not be). But 5-6 more games at this level means they are out of the title race, no doubt about it. They probabaly drop 10+ points in suh a period given those games.

So essentially- some will try to write it off as just the xmas schedule. I think there's something a bit more serious going on. I'd also state, expect more injuries. Those players will continue to start breaking down given the reckless way they have been managed by Klopp.
I think there's a simpler explanation than fatigue and schedules, mate: this Liverpool first team squad are not good enough to win the title. They may still do it if the challengers fall away, but they, under their own steam, are not capable of taking control of a title race - they are not the force of the last 3/4 seasons. They did remarkably well with a relatively small number of players in the last 2 seasons free from major injury; but now they have normal levels of injury that other title contenders have to cope with and they are just in the mix...and falling away on current form.

City and United both have stronger squads. Let's see if they seize their chance this season as Liverpool move along the downward curve.
 

They'll still get them, it just means the RS will get more now to keep them quiet
I'll be done with football if United win the league, I could stomach Liverpool winning it last season, they dominated games and in fairness they were the best team by far last season, what I won't be able to deal with is a mid table United team being dragged to the top because it's more profitable for the PL.
 
I'll be done with football if United win the league, I could stomach Liverpool winning it last season, they dominated games and in fairness they were the best team by far last season, what I won't be able to deal with is a mid table United team being dragged to the top because it's more profitable for the PL.
If the FA allowed Sir Alex Ferguson to knock in the dodgiest penalty ever to win them the league I'd be elated mate if it meant Liverpool won nout.
 
He always acknowledges and congratulates the opposition team for their win/draw and says they deserved it; then he states his team created loads of chances and only the combined efforts of the officials and the PL schedulers stopped them securing a deserved victory.

It's going sideways for Klopp. People are fed up with him. A classless, gurning Teuton who's been found out along with his bang average team.
I saw a comment likening his 90 min performance in and around the technical area, to Basil Fawlty.
 

I'll be done with football if United win the league, I could stomach Liverpool winning it last season, they dominated games and in fairness they were the best team by far last season, what I won't be able to deal with is a mid table United team being dragged to the top because it's more profitable for the PL.

I don't know where in the world your from ofcourse, but I can definitely enjoy watching kopites where I live lose their minds because Utd won the league from them on penalties, the meltdown will be fantastic, better if we win it ofcourse but I'll take city or utd sticking it to them and bringing the cocky little tits back down to earth


There is still the odd house with flags in the window round here FFS
 
I don't know where in the world your from ofcourse, but I can definitely enjoy watching kopites where I live lose their minds because Utd won the league from them on penalties, the meltdown will be fantastic, better if we win it ofcourse but I'll take city or utd sticking it to them and bringing the cocky little tits back down to earth


There is still the odd house with flags in the window round here FFS
Ireland.. over the 20 odd years of United dominance their fans here were far more obnoxious than Liverpool fans ever were, they are coming out of the woodwork again after hiding for a few years. I'd honestly rather see Liverpool win it than United.
 

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