ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[barneygumble]

Che Guevara put all his band of revolutionaries on furlough I think.

Did he also try to take all the power and leaver the less wealthy suffer?

 

[Yarrgh]

I believe they have tried to. It's always all about them.

I apologise to the memory of Colin Bell and all those who affected by his passing for putting in a laugh response to this post, but they're almost beyond parody right now.

 

[anjelikaferrett]

I apologise to the memory of Colin Bell and all those who affected by his passing for putting in a laugh response to this post, but they're almost beyond parody right now.

They are a bunch of weirdos. An actual cult. It's a given we are laughing at them and not the passing of Colin Bell.

 

[brigadier]

They do it because it works for them and they get away with it.
Look at the song & dance Klopp made about the match schedules & rest time between games.
The next thing that happened is that they got scheduled to play 4 games over 16 days during
the Christmas / New Year period. Virtually every other club were playing circa every 2 days.
They also got late kick off times for 7 of their 8 games in December just by coincidence...
Its virtually the same in January for the kick off times. The media, who are scared to death of
them never call them out on it and in fact act like their cheer

Any club who openly bad mouths them (apart from man u) seem to struggle to get decisions, sheff utd was very vocal last season, it really is a case of know you're place, the day man u and liverpool pi55 off and form their own bent league will be a great day.

 

[PITA]

Bullets are going to be in short supply.

Jurgen Klopp slammed as "classless" in scathing criticism amid Liverpool's poor run (msn.com)

 

[PaulPowersTash]

I watched a documentary on Lance Armstrong which showed the only reason he got caught was because one of the wives of his teammates found him so intolerable she pursued the case to any end. It was an open secret in the cycling world, everyone knew about it, his team, former teammates, competitors, even the anti doping people, but he passed every test and was seen as too high to take down.

The money involved will be in comeltlelly different proportions. Lance was one cyclist in a sport that is pennies compared to what’s at stake. Liverpool or United being fined or stripped of a trophy would be a multi billion pound decision. Look at the damage to Serie A after the cheating scandal there, and if anything the numbers would be even bigger now. It would never come out. These clubs could pay for better lawyers than any other organisational body. Look at City v uefa. Can you imagine the libel suit against whichever paper brought a charge of doping against one of these clubs and they managed to get out of it? United or Liverpool could sue them for billions and it would be a whole newspaper or media outlet immediately underwater. No one is ever going to take that risk. The best hope would be for a whistleblower, but which player suddenly escalated from a no mark to the best in the world winning trophies is going to come out and say that Klopp had them taking special inhalers. None.

I was speaking to mate of mine this morning about this. He is sending me a book he has read called:
'Seven Deadly Sins - My Pursuit of Lance Armstrong' by David Walsh who is the Chief Sports Correspondent for the Sunday Times who outed him.
He said the threats, abuse, ridicule and anything and everything else that they could and did throw at Walsh was off the scale. Armstrong actually went after him legally and sued him for slander and won (he obviously ended up having to pay the money back). As you say, the whole of the cycling world knew exactly what he was up to and were part of it. He's sending me the book over to read. As you say, football is bigger than cycling (although I agree with what Catcher said about Armstrong being a truly global icon) and the fall out for the sport would be unthinkable. Silence is golden.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

They have broken the transfer record again and again. They pay wages hundreds of millions higher per year than most of the competition. You'd expect them to be "sitting pretty" wouldn't you?

Don't forget the Agent's fees they pay also...

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Seems they fell out with Southampton staff after the match on Monday night. Apparently, its usual for players doing a post match warm-down to avoid the penalty area to avoid further damage to the pitch there. One of the RS coaches had them doing theirs in the penalty area which caused a nark between Saints staff and hard-knock Milner and then Klopp came from the dressing room to get involved. Not so much a habit with them now is it- rubbing opponents and their staff up the wrong way because of their bad mannered pitchside behaviour. More a case of it now being their trademark M.O.

They are just a truly obnoxious club & set up from top to bottom. End of.

 

[catcherintherye]

Don't forget the Agent's fees they pay also...

Yes who could ever forget them. Funny how the hundreds of millions they'vespent on agents fees over the years are never counted in the "net spend" they calculated isn't it?

 

[number4.]

I was speaking to mate of mine this morning about this. He is sending me a book he has read called:
'Seven Deadly Sins - My Pursuit of Lance Armstrong' by David Walsh who is the Chief Sports Correspondent for the Sunday Times who outed him.
He said the threats, abuse, ridicule and anything and everything else that they could and did throw at Walsh was off the scale. Armstrong actually went after him legally and sued him for slander and won (he obviously ended up having to pay the money back). As you say, the whole of the cycling world knew exactly what he was up to and were part of it. He's sending me the book over to read. As you say, football is bigger than cycling (although I agree with what Catcher said about Armstrong being a truly global icon) and the fall out for the sport would be unthinkable. Silence is golden.

Your last line is spot on & I think in that lies the big problem, I simply think it is probably too big now to fail and if it did the ramifications would be off the scale. This is clearly illustrated by the fuentes case in spain, in short - he was a spanish Dr was done for blood transfusions & as the case went on the scale of this got bigger and bigger, during the trial he mentioned along with the obvious sports he had worked with multiple footballers and the biggest clubs in Spain, this (football) was effectively brushed under the carpet. Even today, one PL club continue to get treatment from one of the Dr's tied up in that case.


What I'm confident off is clubs can't dope in isolation, there is simple too much transition through clubs for anything to remain confidential & it for me would stand out like a sore thumb, when you look at stats like sprints or distances covered invariable the differences are small and explained by style of play. Where my core concern would lie is that it is fundamentally systemic with a common understanding of the playing field. We have all sat in the stands over the last ten years and seen more and more emergence of the Whippet style footballer, 9 stone and more energy than a duracell bunny with the strength of an Ox.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Your last line is spot on & I think in that lies the big problem, I simply think it is probably too big now to fail and if it did the ramifications would be off the scale. This is clearly illustrated by the fuentes case in spain, in short - he was a spanish Dr was done for blood transfusions & as the case went on the scale of this got bigger and bigger, during the trial he mentioned along with the obvious sports he had worked with multiple footballers and the biggest clubs in Spain, this (football) was effectively brushed under the carpet. Even today, one PL club continue to get treatment from one of the Dr's tied up in that case.


What I'm confident off is clubs can't dope in isolation, there is simple too much transition through clubs for anything to remain confidential & it for me would stand out like a sore thumb, when you look at stats like sprints or distances covered invariable the differences are small and explained by style of play. Where my core concern would lie is that it is fundamentally systemic with a common understanding of the playing field. We have all sat in the stands over the last ten years and seen more and more emergence of the Whippet style footballer, 9 stone and more energy than a duracell bunny with the strength of an Ox.

And your last line is interesting as well. The example has to be James Milner. He is aged 35. His body now resembles that of the Incredible Hulk and he is running further and quicker than he ever did in his supposed prime. The physical difference in him to when he was at Villa or City is genuinely off the scale. It just doesn't add up.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

And your last line is interesting as well. The example has to be James Milner. He is aged 35. His body now resembles that of the Incredible Hulk and he is running further and quicker than he ever did in his supposed prime. The physical difference in him to when he was at Villa or City is genuinely off the scale. It just doesn't add up.

I've said this before Milner was an average player in his prime at Villa, City and his early days at Liverpool, yet he has somehow started playing his best football in his 30s. You can see with players like Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Keane, Vidic and even Gary Neville that players simply can't keep up with pace. Milner's success in recent years just don't make sense, same with Henderson, TAA, Robertson and Salah. As Roy Keane said it usually takes defenders years to become world class, TAA and Robertson have seemingly done it overnight.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I can't believe this is an issue with some people.Any half decent blue, will always prefer Manchester United to that other shower.For me the matter, just isn't up for debate.

 

[arch stanton]

I can't believe this is an issue with some people.Any half decent blue, will always prefer Manchester United to that other shower.For me the matter, just isn't up for debate.

Ah Corky, you are making the assumption that everyone on here is a died in the wool toffee like what we is. Some I suspect are more of a crappy crimson shade of blue

 

[number4.]

And your last line is interesting as well. The example has to be James Milner. He is aged 35. His body now resembles that of the Incredible Hulk and he is running further and quicker than he ever did in his supposed prime. The physical difference in him to when he was at Villa or City is genuinely off the scale. It just doesn't add up.

He is definately bigger - I'm not sports scientist so not going to try to rationalise it other than change in training and taking the decision to bulk up.

i did just do a little bit of reading on his distances, unsurprisingly he hold the record for the most ground covered in a game (PL since Opta) at 13.56km, but I was amazed to see the record is almost 6 years old and when he played for city. So the bulk might be new, but the athleticism certainly isn't, although one would expect a quicker reduction than he has had.