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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

Re: PL: Liverpool 0 vs 2 Everton Richarlison ‘3 Sighurdson pen. 93’

« Reply #189 on: Yesterday at 07:29:08 PM »

Absolute [Poor language removed] joke of a decision for that penalty, he barely even looks at it.

As for the performance, I think we were alright like. I’ve seen far worse in this fixture and we’ve ended up winning, Everton incredibly fortunate to win that 2-0.

The only positive I can take from that is at least that result as happened with none of their fans able to see it in the ground.




....Does someone want to break it to him about their 30 year wait to see them lift the title?
I raise you this from RAWK:

Everton literally only exists to try to beat Liverpool. There is no other point to them. Their celebrations in the dressing room are an absolute shambles. 26 years since they have last won anything, but beating Liverpool at Anfield for the first time this millennium is worthy of huge celebrations. Maybe they can join us on the open top bus parade of the city win then finally get to celebrate winning the league?

The first sentence though. hahahaha
 
You always sensed this collapse was going to happen, it was more a case of when not if. Like at Dortmund it happened in the 5th season. I'd hoped it would happen a bit earlier, and it's a shame it didn't happen a season earlier for obvious reasons, but I'll take it.

I watched Dortmund a fair bit when Klopp was there. I always quite liked Dortmund and I like Germany really. They were a working class team who overcame Munich and got to a European final. He had an excellent team. Maybe not quite as good as this Liverpool team, but an excellent team. Klopp deserves enormous credit for that. But you could always see, the intensity he demanded would always lead to a collapse at the back end, which it did.

In that final season, they were bottom 3 at Christmas, and really only with a winter break did he stabilise them to finish half way up. And they have a proper winter break not like here. He took the 2nd best team to mid table, and it may have been worse without a winter break. He's taking the best team to mid table here now, but the halves are reversed. Without a proper winter break, I'm not even convinced he would stabilise at that level.

Had he been playing in England with that Dortmund team, they'd have been relegated, 1 as they would have been cut adrift, and 2 because they had no winter break. Yes Liverpool were probably slightly better, but it's some collapse. It's taken Dortmund years to recover from that as well.

The team he left, was just ravaged by injuries and lack of intesity. Goetze, Reus, Kagawa, Sahin, the Greek lad at CB etc etc. All great players but all ruined. Its taken years of Peps management to rescue Gundogan from the same fate. It's exactly what you are seeing here. He demands a physical style, that guys close to 30 can't give, and they break down when not given rest. Henderson has been asked to play too many games, and after Fabinho, Matip, Jota, Keita, Chamberlain, Gomez etc he is just the next to break down.

It's always hard when players getting towards 30 start getting injuries. It kind of does them in and few recover well from it. Look at us with Coleman, he's a fine player, but is nowhere near the level he was before that leg break. Harry Kane is similar, injuries take their toll. Thats doubly so in his system, that relies so much on power, speed, pressing etc. The likes of Henderson, Wijnaldum, Thiago, Salah, Mane, Firmino who are all at or about 30 need to be wrapped up in cotton wool, but he's got them all playing twice a week slugging their guts out, then calls it bad luck when they go down.

I said at the time, that Burnley result would be the trigger point for this crisis. Thats all it needed, the dynamite and petrol where there, but it just needed a match. Their fans and their ethos as a club makes it worse too, as they assume it will all go back to normal. They are at a major rebuild job now. They are closer to 18th than 1st. Thats the mountain to climb now. And 1st are going to be adding 3 or 4 world class players like Haaland etc in the summer, while they are scratching around for lads likes Davies or Kabak. A 30 year old CB, coming back from a major knee injury is not going to be enough to close this gap. Forget Gomez making a difference, he is poor, and Matip will never play regularly again. Other than that, they are all fit anyway.

Klopp is done. He left Dortmund when he knew he was done. He was smart, he didn't besmirch his reputation by probably getting another relegation on his record. He is smart like that, and knows the right moment to leave. I can't imagine he wants a big rebuild job, and I don't really think he's the right sort of manager to do that. You can see he's very emotional, but also that he's not really a problem solver. He said very early on he had no plan B only that "plan b was to do plan A better". Well plan A has been sussed out, doesn't work, and with an ageing squad will not work in the future.

As a final point, he would be done in normal circumstances. They are going to have no money, even if they scrape 4th. They had no money this January when they had no CBs left. FSG only sanctioned 2 loans, 1 from a lad who's side wanted to upgrade to Mustafi, another for a fella he was a mid table championship player. That was with CL money and before the next awful set of accounts come out. They've got no money. If they miss out on the CL, they will likely have to make masses of money up, to cover the extravagent wage bill Klopp has built up.

Klopp isn't staying for that, and it's going to be hard to find a manager who will. It is in it's own way like following Ferguson, you're on a hiding to nothing, with sky high expectations and no money.

Best case scenario they get a good young German coach, who's used to building teams while selling key assetts and they embark on another 5 years journey to hopefully getting back to challenging for the title. I'm not sure if they get on board with that though. Worst case, they go and get Steven Gerrard and he Sounesses it. Except Souness collaped from position 1. He will be inherited probably position 5-7.

All of this has been predicted. I suspect we might be back to seeing 30k at Anfield again quite soon.
No way are 24,000 flying in to see that scenario.
 
Well basically they did something on Van Dijks recovery. I think Pearce (or Hughes) took the deadline from one person involved to say he was going to be back stronger than ever. It was the guy who was working closely with him, I think on behalf of the club. Very little detail. Essentially a propaganda bit, which they choose as the headline.

There was then a load more quotes from various medical professionals essentially stating rushing it back risks re-injury and means you don't return at your best. People essentially saying it's 12 months until you should be back, cutting corners is stupid, and you're back probably and 10-11 months until you are anywhere approaching your best. They spoke to doctors, knee specialists and players who's suffered the same injury. Point to Laporte, who was very much VVD esque and how he still isn't close to being a regular again 18 months on etc. Essentially all evidence, apart from the fella working closely with him, is it's still a logn road back.

Yet you know what they chose for the title. They are just giving people false hope which is counter factual. From a positive perspective for them, at least they are discussing VVD return, there seems to be no talk on Gomez at all.

They are going to regret the day they let Klopp had that one season too many to destroy his squad.
These people are like lobby journalists in parliamant. They write what they know will keep the info from their sources coming through.

They were hired by the Athletic for their contacts in clubs, so they know their wages depend on peddling their propaganda.

VVD = his biggest impact at Liverpool was offering them an aerial threat. Anyone could see defensively he was decent but not all that.
 

Experts at rushing players back from injury, they even let Henderson try and run off what was clearly a serious injury... having an injury crisis for the first time in a long time, this is what happens when you play with huge intensity for 4 ish years with little or no rotation, even put out the best available first 11 against Villa in the cup when Villa were crippled with covid.
Also to have that intensity on game day they would need to almost match that intensity in traning. Klopp has ran them into the ground and the bodies are failing them..
Salah is now being called out as a diver and will start getting less and less decisions like whats happened to Richarlson.
Firminiho looks like he only started playing football a week ago. TAA and Robertson are completely ineffective without a decent CB to cover their mistakes
I remember being a 17 year old watching the last time we won there and here we are now I'm approaching middle age thinking about AVCs and how much I can afford to top up my pension by, and we've finally won there again.. in all those years Liverpool always looked like they wanted it more but not last night.
 
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These people are like lobby journalists in parliamant. They write what they know will keep the info from their sources coming through.

They were hired by the Athletic for their contacts in clubs, so they know their wages depend on peddling their propaganda.

VVD = his biggest impact at Liverpool was offering them an aerial threat. Anyone could see defensively he was decent but not all that.
was flattered by their attacking threat being so prolific that teams wouldn't/couldn't over commit so he had a relatively easy ride. Now their attacks are blunted, trams are getting at the RS defence more, turning them around and running by them. Good player, very good even but not the messiah.
 
Experts at rushing players back from injury, they even let Henderson try and run off what was clearly a serious injury... having an injury crisis for the first time in a long time, this is what happens when you play with huge intensity for 4 ish years with little or no rotation, even put out the best available first 11 against Villa in the cup when Villa were crippled with covid.
Also to have that intensity on game day they would need to almost match that intensity in traning. Klopp has ran them into the ground and the bodies are failing them..
Salah is now being called out as a diver and will start getting less and less decisions like whats happened to Richarlson.
Firminiho looks like he only started playing football a week ago. TAA and Robertson are completely ineffective without a decent CB to cover their mistakes
I remember being a 17 year old watching the last time we won there and here we are now I'm approaching middle age thinking about AVCs and how much I can afford to top up my pension by, and we've finally won there again.. in all those years Liverpool always looked like they wanted it more but not last night.
The Henderson injury was a joke any football fan could see he had done his hamstring but they told him to see if he could run it off.
I was praying they would have let him run round for another 10 minutes as if they did they would have to carry him off in a bin bag
 
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was flattered by their attacking threat being so prolific that teams wouldn't/couldn't over commit so he had a relatively easy ride. Now their attacks are blunted, trams are getting at the RS defence more, turning them around and running by them. Good player, very good even but not the messiah.
Spot on.

I've said it before: he was better at Southampton than he has been at Liverpool. He had to balance defending and attacking there like he's never had to do at Liverpool.
 

Tbf, Chris Kavanagh deserves credit here, Marriner told him to go and look at the monitor, subtext: “let’s overturn it Chris”. But he had another look for himself and thought, “nah, I was right, it’s a pen”
A lot of credit to the ref last night. He was excellent.
He didn't fall for the diving of their forwards, stuck to his
guns on the big decisions and had an all round good game.
He won't be getting any more Liverpool games for a while though I'll bet.
 

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