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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

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100s of jarg tickets being sold, what could possibly go wrong?
Vintage RS hypotheticals. Buy overpriced tickets.. find out before the game that same are fake, the sellers untraceable. As before, but find out at the stadium that they are fake.. get arrested. Buy genuine tickets, arrive at stadium and have ticket stolen in queue. The other hypothetical, storm stadium gates and take fellow supporters seats refusing to move is void as it is Paris not Athens.
 
Vintage RS hypotheticals. Buy overpriced tickets.. find out before the game that same are fake, the sellers untraceable. As before, but find out at the stadium that they are fake.. get arrested. Buy genuine tickets, arrive at stadium and have ticket stolen in queue. The other hypothetical, storm stadium gates and take fellow supporters seats refusing to move is void as it is Paris not Athens.
The French police love a scrap. This will not end well.
 
Vintage RS hypotheticals. Buy overpriced tickets.. find out before the game that same are fake, the sellers untraceable. As before, but find out at the stadium that they are fake.. get arrested. Buy genuine tickets, arrive at stadium and have ticket stolen in queue. The other hypothetical, storm stadium gates and take fellow supporters seats refusing to move is void as it is Paris not Athens.
Well as things are turning out, they may have difficulty in getting to the stadium in St Denis.
There is a transport strike affecting buses and trams from today. The unions are calling for it to be extended to metro lines RER A and RER B. The latter providing access to the stade de France.
 

But they never do anything wrong laaaaaaaaa, it’s uefas fault.

For a club and fans that had to endure the horrors of hillsborough and the subsequent horrors of the thatcher governments response, you would think going with fake tickets, stealing tickets and storming stadium gates to overcrowd would not enter their collective psyche, but they never cease to disappoint do they?
 


instead of spending 20-30 mil on 4-5 different players they just offer 50-100 mil for one marquee signing every window and then try and make it look like they dont spend any money because their net spend ends up being lowered by offloading their jarg players for ridiculous and overpriced sums of money to the likes of bournemouth and fulham.

Apparently they can't compete with man city's money.. now when they spout this crap do they actually believe it themselves or is it a case of saying it enough times somehow makes it true.
 
Their reaction to the ongoing Hillsborough enquiries over the years tells its own story. Every decision met with more hysterical cries for 'justice'. We all know that there was blame to be heaped at the doors of police, media etc, which it rightly has. But it would have been nice to see a reaction with just a touch of self-awareness, a small caveat by way of 'Though we absolutely do not condone the actions of some supporters'. But no. They all know full well that thousands of ticketless fans descending on the ground and the resulting crush outside the gates left no alternative but to open them. That part of it is on them. They know it but it has remained resolutely unspoken. We have been nothing but respectful over the years about it (despite their claims), whereas they have weaponised their own tragedy.

It is this whitewashing and total absolvement which empowers their more odious element to repeat things all over again, as we are seeing with this Paris ticket business. Remember these were people who invaded the pitch when they went ahead in the FA Cup final against us following Hillsborough. Just because other people are to blame does not ipso facto mean that you have no blame. It is fallacious logic. If that had been accepted at the time we might not be seeing the entitled, never-our-fault, victim mentality which is resting it's head so often now.

Reality is not black and white. But in their heads now, it is. Of course it was not all their fault. The most blinkered of us know that. But to say they played no part at all and that thousands of people behaved impeccably is absurd. I like many arrived 20 minutes late at Villa Park on the same day due to serious traffic delays. We formed orderly queues and eventually got in five to ten minutes later. It is possible to do.

To acknowledge these facts does not denigrate the dead in any way or form. On the contrary, it respects their memory by admitting the truth. The victims, already at the front, were truly blameless. And that is the real tragedy.
 

Their reaction to the ongoing Hillsborough enquiries over the years tells its own story. Every decision met with more hysterical cries for 'justice'. We all know that there was blame to be heaped at the doors of police, media etc, which it rightly has. But it would have been nice to see a reaction with just a touch of self-awareness, a small caveat by way of 'Though we absolutely do not condone the actions of some supporters'. But no. They all know full well that thousands of ticketless fans descending on the ground and the resulting crush outside the gates left no alternative but to open them. That part of it is on them. They know it but it has remained resolutely unspoken. We have been nothing but respectful over the years about it (despite their claims), whereas they have weaponised their own tragedy.

It is this whitewashing and total absolvement which empowers their more odious element to repeat things all over again, as we are seeing with this Paris ticket business. Remember these were people who invaded the pitch when they went ahead in the FA Cup final against us following Hillsborough. Just because other people are to blame does not ipso facto mean that you have no blame. It is fallacious logic. If that had been accepted at the time we might not be seeing the entitled, never-our-fault, victim mentality which is resting it's head so often now.

Reality is not black and white. But in their heads now, it is. Of course it was not all their fault. The most blinkered of us know that. But to say they played no part at all and that thousands of people behaved impeccably is absurd. I like many arrived 20 minutes late at Villa Park on the same day due to serious traffic delays. We formed orderly queues and eventually got in five to ten minutes later. It is possible to do.

To acknowledge these facts does not denigrate the dead in any way or form. On the contrary, it respects their memory by admitting the truth. The victims, already at the front, were truly blameless. And that is the real tragedy.

This is the best post I've ever read on this forum, ever.
 
Well as things are turning out, they may have difficulty in getting to the stadium in St Denis.
There is a transport strike affecting buses and trams from today. The unions are calling for it to be extended to metro lines RER A and RER B. The latter providing access to the stade de France.
God works in mysterious ways but cue mass hysteria and talk of people trying to stop their now treble prospects.

Perhaps given the strikes, they may encounter one of the Paris cabbies I did visiting my brother who worked/lived on the Ile de la Cité there in the 2000s... he had a bottle of scotch on the dashboard and an Alsatian on the front seat of his Merc. Doing a runner, La ?? Bonne chance.
 
Their reaction to the ongoing Hillsborough enquiries over the years tells its own story. Every decision met with more hysterical cries for 'justice'. We all know that there was blame to be heaped at the doors of police, media etc, which it rightly has. But it would have been nice to see a reaction with just a touch of self-awareness, a small caveat by way of 'Though we absolutely do not condone the actions of some supporters'. But no. They all know full well that thousands of ticketless fans descending on the ground and the resulting crush outside the gates left no alternative but to open them. That part of it is on them. They know it but it has remained resolutely unspoken. We have been nothing but respectful over the years about it (despite their claims), whereas they have weaponised their own tragedy.

It is this whitewashing and total absolvement which empowers their more odious element to repeat things all over again, as we are seeing with this Paris ticket business. Remember these were people who invaded the pitch when they went ahead in the FA Cup final against us following Hillsborough. Just because other people are to blame does not ipso facto mean that you have no blame. It is fallacious logic. If that had been accepted at the time we might not be seeing the entitled, never-our-fault, victim mentality which is resting it's head so often now.

Reality is not black and white. But in their heads now, it is. Of course it was not all their fault. The most blinkered of us know that. But to say they played no part at all and that thousands of people behaved impeccably is absurd. I like many arrived 20 minutes late at Villa Park on the same day due to serious traffic delays. We formed orderly queues and eventually got in five to ten minutes later. It is possible to do.

To acknowledge these facts does not denigrate the dead in any way or form. On the contrary, it respects their memory by admitting the truth. The victims, already at the front, were truly blameless. And that is the real tragedy.
great post
 

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