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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

catcherintherye said:
Yes I know what fascism is mate. I've been actively involved with monitoring and physically confronting fascism all my adult life.

In what was am I mislead to say that fascism should be opposed, and its output not be given a platform to have its message normalised and expanded then?

What you are doing here, in trying to blame people of colour is divisive. We can have sympathy for genuine Liverpool fans, who went with legitimate tickets and got caught up in the chaos of the day, without quoting fascist propaganda sites mate.
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I've been buying lottery tickets all my adult life too
 

Johnniepk said:
Woman with no money buys car, drives to France to be in area of match ( no tickets) car breaks down. Sets up gofundme page.
I give up.
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Her face in the go fund me page is redder then her shirt.
dholliday said:
jaysus wept, man! where on earth do you get that idea? No wonder those poor women felt left in the lurch.

I've hyperlinked serious references.

Surprised at you, i thought you were a little more serious.



my gods...reads like a parody this.


That's how the extremists get their audience, because yous shut-down any mention at all. Folk who notice certain things then only have one place left to go...yous are creating the 'far-right-gateway' yourselves.


Still not heard any feedback as to the goings on in this video...what is happening here, and what does it mean?

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That video is 3 people giving the truth as they saw it. Innocent people were caught up in the melee. These fans are the ones caught out, and rightly fell aggrieved. Probably had tickets, behaved impeccabley and had their big day ruined.
The footage doesn’t prove any thing conclusively. Some of the footage seems edited together. Asian guy shown a couple of times has a then edited into footage of the crowd leaving.
Liverpool fans fighting with locals looks like a flash point where both sides were involved But filmed from behind the Liverpool side…. The camera man didn’t run off and fans in the back ground looked casually walking off.
Not a nice experience for the casual fan going away with their family thinking it was a festival of football.
Pretty sure a walk in the the park for a load of scallies who were the minority but responsible for the issues.
My view is that if all the Liverpool fans were like the ones in the video there would have been no ticketless fans, less draconian policing, local youths would have been better managed.
 
twoblue said:
That video is 3 people giving the truth as they saw it. Innocent people were caught up in the melee. These fans are the ones caught out, and rightly fell aggrieved. Probably had tickets, behaved impeccabley and had their big day ruined.
The footage doesn’t prove any thing conclusively. Some of the footage seems edited together. Asian guy shown a couple of times has a then edited into footage of the crowd leaving.
Liverpool fans fighting with locals looks like a flash point where both sides were involved But filmed from behind the Liverpool side…. The camera man didn’t run off and fans in the back ground looked casually walking off.
Not a nice experience for the casual fan going away with their family thinking it was a festival of football.
Pretty sure a walk in the the park for a load of scallies who were the minority but responsible for the issues.
My view is that if all the Liverpool fans were like the ones in the video there would have been no ticketless fans, less draconian policing, local youths would have been better managed.
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good post
 

mahermi1 said:
Feel desperately sorry for those fans that were attacked, disgusting French farce. And I know there were fake tickets by scumbag fans being used, but that was just assault and battery French thugs against ordinary family men and I don't care who they support, that is wrong and can not go unpunished.
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So the French thugs just targeted the kopites?If you look closely a lot of the video footage shows French v French. As happens in many major cities gangs see big events as an opportunity to settle scores. Yes I feel sorry for the innocent fans caught up in it. But it should not detract from the fake tickets and the numbers who travelled sanctioned by Klopp without tickets and those who did their homework on how to bunk in, that was the primary cause. Typical rs,it was the French police,then UEFA,then both,now them and ethnic groups...but they are as innocent as they were at Heysel.
 
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davids said:
So the French thugs just targeted the kopites?If you look closely a lot of the video footage shows French v French. As happens in many major cities gangs see big events as an opportunity to settle scores. Yes I feel sorry for the innocent fans caught up in it. But it should not detract from the fake tickets and the numbers who travelled sanctioned by Klopp without tickets and those who did their homework on how to bunk in, that was the primary cause. Typical rs,it was the French police,then UEFA,then both,now them and ethnic groups...but they are as innocent as they were at Heysel.
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Didn't mention Klopp but have before, I said I felt for the family men who had been attacked while just going to a game with their family, I also called out the scumbag fans who used fake tickets and I'll admit I didn't go into great detail about anything else really, just what I saw on the video.
 
Rita_Poon said:
Dont understand the JFK donut bit, is it to do with what happened in Dallas?
I failed french (along with everything else)
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Google and possibly wiki is your friend on this
'Kennedy Donut'

Short version: he said (in W. Berlin) 'Ich bin ein Berliner' - I am a Berliner like the recent 'je suis Hebdo'
Hamburger - a beef pattie from Hamburg
Berliner - (also) type of pastry

Tricky stuff this foreign jibber jabber sometimes
 
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mahermi1 said:
Didn't mention Klopp but have before, I said I felt for the family men who had been attacked while just going to a game with their family, I also called out the scumbag fans who used fake tickets and I'll admit I didn't go into great detail about anything else really, just what I saw on the video.
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Things that happened at the final:
  • Fake tickets and people trying to bunk in were in the thousands.
  • Police pepper sprayed innocent people queuing up to get in
  • Local youths attacked innocent people
Obviously other things as well.
Everything needs to be investigated in the inquiry.

In my opinion, the fake tickets was the catalyst that caused chaos which gave the opportunity to the local gangs to take advantage and do what they did.

Guess who is least likely to accept any responsibility out of France, Uefa and LFC.
 

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