Red End
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Well that`s not very nice from ye blue brethren Ernie.
Get your blue bollocks out and slap them about.
ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"
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Get your blue bollocks out and slap them about.
Ernie
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Not on a Sunday mate
Your too kind mate with your choice of words, what it really means is we'll park the bus.
Derek Acorah
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Koeman and his huge head will have us right up for the derby make no mistake about it.
The best way to play against Liverpool is how Man Utd set up against them a few weeks back.
We will beat them at home this season - Sam told me.
The best way to play against Liverpool is how Man Utd set up against them a few weeks back.
We will beat them at home this season - Sam told me.
A Liverpool fan, not trading under a transparent pseudonym like BlueForever or GerryandthePacemakers? Unbelievable.
Ah the joys of Monday morning..... explaining to the rs at work they are 3rd not joint top....
Darth Toffeeman
Player Valuation: £40m
Not enjoying all this 'Liverpool are superb, a joy to watch' nonsense from the media.
I preferred them when Hodgson was the manager and they where getting beat at home by Blackpool. That was a joy to watch.
I was also pleased to see Rodgers was going in the right direction when Ratboy was sold off and he assembled a side capable of getting stuffed 6-1 at Stoke.
This current side is awful imo.
I preferred them when Hodgson was the manager and they where getting beat at home by Blackpool. That was a joy to watch.
I was also pleased to see Rodgers was going in the right direction when Ratboy was sold off and he assembled a side capable of getting stuffed 6-1 at Stoke.
This current side is awful imo.
Darth Toffeeman
Player Valuation: £40m
I remember on way home, cursing that we had lost to Spurs 1-0 and thinking no MOTD...
And then 6-1.
Only time I think I have watched it when we have lost. Rude not to give a watch of Stokes finest day ever.
Whistlin' Dixie
Player Valuation: £50m
I got that from a pair of proper bellends yesterday. Can't remember where they were from but it wasn't even the UK. Think they said they were cypriots.
Anyway, they got told why the shoite are universally hated and laughed at. Chapter and verse. They soon clammed up.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
A post on Koeman from Rawk, feel free to respond, I will come back later.
Quote from: DonkeyWan on Yesterday at 12:35:24 PM
Lets have a potted history of Keoman as manager shall we? He takes over at Ajax in 2001. Lets not under value this, he did well to get a double in his first year. The second year wasn't so good, he does regain the title the following year, but by 2005 his team is struggling so he jumps before he is pushed.
He takes over at Benfica where, after some initial success, his team begin to struggle (notice a pattern here?) He does the sum of [Poor language removed] all and leaves at the end of the season for Dutch football once more.
Now, I should pause here for a moment and point something out. There are three big teams in Holland, Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord. If you were to compar them tot hree PL sides I would say Liverpool, Man United and Arsenal are the best fit (three storied clubs with a long history of success rather than newly monied flash in the pans froma historical perspective). Imagine if you will a manager of Liverpool who, after winning a trophy or two, left under a cloud only to come back the following year to manage United. Cos that's what Koeman did.
He comes back to manage PSV, takes over a successful team and then, after an initial burst, flags badly in the first season before recovering just enough to get ove rthe line...by goal difference. A single goal at that. In a league that PSV had won the two previous seasons by 10 points. It will not surprise you to hear that Koeman [Poor language removed] off the following year to a reasonably big side in Valencia...
... where he did, in fairness, win a cup, but left the team in 15th, did spectacularly [Poor language removed] in Europe and got sacked.
He now rushes back to Dutch football and takes over at AZ, themselves a pretty decent sized club, lets say the Spurs of the Dutch league, some past success but not a lot and not for a while. Here he starts spectacularly badly and gets fired.
From there he goes to Feyenoord. The last of the big three. Lets compare them to Arsenal as their rivalry isn't as intense as that of PSV and Ajax (who I would compare to Liverpool and United). He does nothing at Feyenoord and leaves after 3 seasons, a real nothing tenure.
He then washes up at the Southampton side, itself a success story but not operating at the highest level in the league. Two seasons later and he jumps ship to Everton. This is a strnage move by any measure.
So, what have we learned from Koeman's managerial history?
1] He doesn't stay long at any club. His longest stint was his first one at a club he was a legend as a player for.
2] After initial success his teams quickly deteriorate in quality.
3] He has no issue job hopping from rival to rival. Imagine if Brendan Rodgers came back from Celtic at the end of the season to manage United... and from there went to Arsenal. Imagine how much you would hate that as a fan.
4] Koeman does not build success, he inherits it. That's the biggest criticism for me. That is consistent throughout his managerial career.
5] As soons as the heat is applied he is off. Not one to ride out the slings and arrows of misfortune, Koeman is a manager quite happy to go if the going is good.
Now, apply what we know of Koeman to Everton's position. A team that needs stability, investment and a manager that can build a team in his own image and create a winning formula. That's the success Moyes brought the side. Theya re still effectively living off that. Does Koeman strike you as the right man for that job? Me either. He's not a young coach either, he is 53 and nothing in his career to date suggests he could, at this late stage, start buildinga side from scratch for the future."
Quote from: DonkeyWan on Yesterday at 12:35:24 PM
Lets have a potted history of Keoman as manager shall we? He takes over at Ajax in 2001. Lets not under value this, he did well to get a double in his first year. The second year wasn't so good, he does regain the title the following year, but by 2005 his team is struggling so he jumps before he is pushed.
He takes over at Benfica where, after some initial success, his team begin to struggle (notice a pattern here?) He does the sum of [Poor language removed] all and leaves at the end of the season for Dutch football once more.
Now, I should pause here for a moment and point something out. There are three big teams in Holland, Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord. If you were to compar them tot hree PL sides I would say Liverpool, Man United and Arsenal are the best fit (three storied clubs with a long history of success rather than newly monied flash in the pans froma historical perspective). Imagine if you will a manager of Liverpool who, after winning a trophy or two, left under a cloud only to come back the following year to manage United. Cos that's what Koeman did.
He comes back to manage PSV, takes over a successful team and then, after an initial burst, flags badly in the first season before recovering just enough to get ove rthe line...by goal difference. A single goal at that. In a league that PSV had won the two previous seasons by 10 points. It will not surprise you to hear that Koeman [Poor language removed] off the following year to a reasonably big side in Valencia...
... where he did, in fairness, win a cup, but left the team in 15th, did spectacularly [Poor language removed] in Europe and got sacked.
He now rushes back to Dutch football and takes over at AZ, themselves a pretty decent sized club, lets say the Spurs of the Dutch league, some past success but not a lot and not for a while. Here he starts spectacularly badly and gets fired.
From there he goes to Feyenoord. The last of the big three. Lets compare them to Arsenal as their rivalry isn't as intense as that of PSV and Ajax (who I would compare to Liverpool and United). He does nothing at Feyenoord and leaves after 3 seasons, a real nothing tenure.
He then washes up at the Southampton side, itself a success story but not operating at the highest level in the league. Two seasons later and he jumps ship to Everton. This is a strnage move by any measure.
So, what have we learned from Koeman's managerial history?
1] He doesn't stay long at any club. His longest stint was his first one at a club he was a legend as a player for.
2] After initial success his teams quickly deteriorate in quality.
3] He has no issue job hopping from rival to rival. Imagine if Brendan Rodgers came back from Celtic at the end of the season to manage United... and from there went to Arsenal. Imagine how much you would hate that as a fan.
4] Koeman does not build success, he inherits it. That's the biggest criticism for me. That is consistent throughout his managerial career.
5] As soons as the heat is applied he is off. Not one to ride out the slings and arrows of misfortune, Koeman is a manager quite happy to go if the going is good.
Now, apply what we know of Koeman to Everton's position. A team that needs stability, investment and a manager that can build a team in his own image and create a winning formula. That's the success Moyes brought the side. Theya re still effectively living off that. Does Koeman strike you as the right man for that job? Me either. He's not a young coach either, he is 53 and nothing in his career to date suggests he could, at this late stage, start buildinga side from scratch for the future."
Roger Milla
Player Valuation: £20m
I'll admit, because of some of the reasons that RS mention I had (still do) reservations about Koeman being our manager. He's here and I'm right behind him but I think his appointment was overhyped by a lot of people.
I stated on here after el Fraudo was sacked that I'd like someone who could integrate our highly rated young players in to the first XI, I don't think Koeman will do that, he will be here for a few seasons max and i can't see him being too bothered about the clubs future beyond that and a re-building job will probably be on the cards.
That said if he manages to win a cup or 2 the above will be forgiven.
I stated on here after el Fraudo was sacked that I'd like someone who could integrate our highly rated young players in to the first XI, I don't think Koeman will do that, he will be here for a few seasons max and i can't see him being too bothered about the clubs future beyond that and a re-building job will probably be on the cards.
That said if he manages to win a cup or 2 the above will be forgiven.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
so who in the netherlands are united and liverpool compared to again? ha think the poster needs to specify that one more time for clarification.
I have no idea what point they're trying to make, go on the everton forum and the vast majority accept that he'll opnly be here a couple of years, why would we worry? the average length of a manager in a job role these days is only about 3 years anyway. We're not looking for stability, we're looking for someone to bring us success, and make us a better proposition for bigger managers. Moyes brought us no success so how on earth we could live off that is beyond me.
Donkey wan has wasted three weeks of his life to plot koeman's history on something half of teh footballing world would tell. Obviously couldn't let it go with trying a slight dig at the puzzling jump from soton to everton, forgetting in the meantime most of their best players have made that same jump to get to a team who's finished in the same ballpark at soton last few years.
BlueLlama
10/11/17 TWAIN CRUSH DAY
Point 4 of his fukwitted conclusions is the worst.
Koeman inherited a mess at Southampton, DW should know as the RS had just bought must of their players. He rebuilt a more than decent side that bloodied the kopites noses in comedy fashion.
NOw lets talk about the genius of Klopp.
Remember when he signed Steven Caulker and played him as a centre forward?
wandyr79
Player Valuation: £25m
Still too early to say no problem, they are, at the moment, looking a shoe in but football hardly does the normal. Just like us their back up is not great and a few injuries, a drop in form from 1/2 of their key players and/or a bad Christmas period and they fall down.
I still think on paper that their are at least 4 squads better than them so for me it not 'no problem' but more if things go for them then they are in with a shout of top 4.
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