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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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There's a lot of sense in this post. However I do have to take issue with some bits of it. It clearly rankles with them that Koeman has been more successful than Klopp so they have to write war and peace style essays to try and divert from that fact.

Lets have some things right though, he's accused of only winning the Dutch League with the favourites. Yet he won it with 2 separate teams, so are they bot the favourites? Likewise the comparison to the Scottish League is amusing, if you look back at Dutch performance around 15 years ago in Europe and compared that to Scottish teams performance in Europe over the last 5 years you would see back then the Dutch league was light years away.

As for Klopp he won the league with Dortmund which was a good achievement. There does have to be an acknowledgment though that he did so at a time when Bayern were in a mess and once they got themselves sorted Klopps Dortmund got nowhere near them. Klopps final season saw them get finish half way up and he also has a relegation on his CV. Likewise Dortmund are not a small club in Germany, they are not as big as Bayern but by no means a minnow. Since Liverpool FC's last title win Dortmund have won the league on multiple occasions (prior to Klopps arrival) and also won the European Cup in 97. They are a football power house not the minnows they are portrayed. As indicated above, when he was at a minnow club (Mainz) he was relegated. What it shows though is like Koeman Klopp has had ups and downs. Such nuance is lost on most kopites though, who will only see good in their own manager and bad in others.

I also found the Feyenoord comment spurious and indicative of someone who hasn't done their research properly. Koeman is widely revered and appreciated for the job he did. The comment "He does nothing at Feyenoord and leaves after 3 seasons, a real nothing tenure" is ignorant in the extreme. He took a side that was languishing in the bottom half, in the brink of going bust, sold their best players, brought through younger players to balance the books and led them to 2nd place in the league level of points with Ajax. It's for good reason he is held in high esteem and is probably his best work managerially.

He makes a lot about managing the Dutch big 3 as if it's an insult. Koeman is widely liked and more importantly respected at all 3 clubs. How many figures in football would have that same level of respect amongst Everton, Liverpool and say Manchester United supporters? This isn't an insult to him but a testament to the job he did at all 3.

One of the points I agree with is that he hasn't remained at a club for a long time. Particularly early in his career he has a habit of falling out with players quickly. Post AZ he has something of an epiphany and moderates his style somewhat and has become a better manager for it. I'm not sure how long he will stay at Everton, I hope a long time but I sense not. Ultimately in our case beggars can't be choosers and to have a manager of his calibre for 2-3 years will do us the world of good.

The only other notion of him walking into teams that were doing great is not true. He has never managed a club that won their league the previous season. Even at the biggest clubs he went too (PSV & Ajax) he has a net transfer loss as he had to sell more than he bought in. Many players such as Schneider, Stekelenberg, Van Der Vaart, Ibrahomovic were either brought through by him, signed by him or developed by him. At clubs like Feyenoord and to a lesser degree Southampton he came into chaotic situations of players being sold all over the shop and still improved the team. In all honesty despite the gobbing off over the internet it's clear the author hasn't done even the most basic of research to back up his assertions.

As a final aside, when it comes to the top coaching jobs, be it Barcalona or Real Madrid I would happily imagine Koeman will manage them. I also think Koeman will have a more illustrious medals cabinet when he retires than Klopp. It's a reasonable point saying what do Everton need currently and is he the right fit, being critical of Everton is reasonable enough and to be expected however the hatchet job on Koeman seems a bit ridiculous to me. I can't take away the two Bundesliga's Klopp won and he did a fantastic job winning them, the same credit should be given to Koeman for winning what he has won in the game. Trying to undermine that looks churlish and silly.

Anyway for the lurkers he had his moment, and his post was put on the wall to be discussed. Lets see how many of the rats are capable of responding in kind on their board without resorting to bitter insults (or in Solomon Grundy's case lying about Hillsborough).
Great post catcher and informative,but you made a mistake saying that Dortmund won titles against a weak Bayern team.

The Dortmund team that won the Bundesliga in 2011 (LVG was manager then) but in 2012 Dortmund came up against Jupp heynkes side that got to a CL final which they amazingly lost against Chelsea,they won it the following year in 2013 against Dortmund.

That 2012 cl final had Robben Muller Ribery Mandzukic Alaba Lahm Neuer Schweinstiger Boateng all playing that night and Dortmund beat them to the title,Bayern were far from a mess that season and battered some big sides to get to that final and the same nucleus of that side the following season conquered all home and abroad,That Bayern team was far superior and easier on the eye than Pep's methodical possession Bayern team.
 

Had a little look on RAWK. They are all convinced that Klopp is the more successful manager. They even claim anyone "sane" can see this, which works if your definition of insanity is an inability to count to 8.

They provide no evidence for this assertion other than their own opinions and some comments from Koeman praising Klopp as categorical evidence that he "knows Klopp is a superior manager".

There's then a lot of stuff about Klopp going to Bayern, which I can't ever remember saying so Christ knows why that little strawman has been built.

Anyway the end result it seriously rankles with them that Koeman has been more successful than Klopp in his football career including his playing career. I am not celebrating this and in all honesty couldn't care less. What I care about is factual accuracy and correcting those who wish to lie or ignore evidence.

Anyway for any of the rats who are lurking, can you produce 1 piece of tangible evidence that Klopp has been more successful than Koeman as a manager? Koeman has even managed to finish in the top 7 twice in England which Klopp failed to do in his first 3/4 season here! I have nothing against Klopp, he's a good coach and seems a decent bloke but his trophy cabinet looks bare compared to Koemans, as either a player, manager or both.
 



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