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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Prevenger17 said:
Grundy getting in his digs again. Not bad banter, but diminished somewhat by the fact that he lied about the Hillsborough disaster to score points and nobody on there seems to care
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The poor lad doesn't get it. If that's him he's changes his username to parody a lad who writes on an Everton forum exclusively about Everton and largely around boardroom wranglings and has never once mentioned Liverpool FC. It's the actions of a stalker.

As for the post "hard for us to have anything to gloat over" seems to assume the entirety of our lives is composed measuring where we are in the league compared to them. I have no idea how many points we are behind them, there are no prizes for finishing more or less points ahead of behind them (unless they are second). Like I'm going to be gutted that I'd be delighted if we closed the gap to 8 points this season. Our job is to improve our own performance.

As for gloating, they drew with a pretty appalling team. We beat an ok one. When your local rivals slip up, you have a laugh. That is probably what every other club in the world do when their local rivals slip up. They are the only ones who seem to think it's a unique quality to Evertonians. Or that there is any underlying logic to illogical rivalries and devotion to your team.

What makes it more funny with them though, which again they don't get is that they are a broken record. They give it the big one every season and fall flat on their face. It's not really that they are our local rivals why I laugh. It's that they are the epitome of Thatcherite, neo-liberal spivvery. They spend all season gobbing off about how brilliant they are. When they fall flat on their face it just makes me laugh. They never seem to learn either, so any enjoyment is short lived as if begins to feel like mocking the mentally ill. There is no self awareness or reflective skills.

The real funny thing is, I know what their response would be. Something about 21 years and no trophies (or as one moron said to me yesterday 22, as he has clearly lost the ability to count). It's a fair point. Yet this is a club that ranks itself as rivals with Manchester United. They haven't won a league for 26 years and United much have won about 10 in that period. One of their players has even gone off and had a kid, who's won the league with Leicester before them. If it were a rivalry it would have to be the most one sided rivalry in Premier League history.

We are no better. We've gone a similar length of time with no league title (29 years) but at least I am decent enough to acknowledge we are not one of the big boys anymore.
 
catcherintherye said:
The poor lad doesn't get it. If that's him he's changes his username to parody a lad who writes on an Everton forum exclusively about Everton and largely around boardroom wranglings and has never once mentioned Liverpool FC. It's the actions of a stalker.

As for the post "hard for us to have anything to gloat over" seems to assume the entirety of our lives is composed measuring where we are in the league compared to them. I have no idea how many points we are behind them, there are no prizes for finishing more or less points ahead of behind them (unless they are second). Like I'm going to be gutted that I'd be delighted if we closed the gap to 8 points this season. Our job is to improve our own performance.

As for gloating, they drew with a pretty appalling team. We beat an ok one. When your local rivals slip up, you have a laugh. That is probably what every other club in the world do when their local rivals slip up. They are the only ones who seem to think it's a unique quality to Evertonians. Or that there is any underlying logic to illogical rivalries and devotion to your team.

What makes it more funny with them though, which again they don't get is that they are a broken record. They give it the big one every season and fall flat on their face. It's not really that they are our local rivals why I laugh. It's that they are the epitome of Thatcherite, neo-liberal spivvery. They spend all season gobbing off about how brilliant they are. When they fall flat on their face it just makes me laugh. They never seem to learn either, so any enjoyment is short lived as if begins to feel like mocking the mentally ill. There is no self awareness or reflective skills.

The real funny thing is, I know what their response would be. Something about 21 years and no trophies (or as one moron said to me yesterday 22, as he has clearly lost the ability to count). It's a fair point. Yet this is a club that ranks itself as rivals with Manchester United. They haven't won a league for 26 years and United much have won about 10 in that period. One of their players has even gone off and had a kid, who's won the league with Leicester before them. If it were a rivalry it would have to be the most one sided rivalry in Premier League history.

We are no better. We've gone a similar length of time with no league title (29 years) but at least I am decent enough to acknowledge we are not one of the big boys anymore.
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The worst thing is, there's no 'probably' about it mate. It's definitely what clubs the world over do. including them. Yet it's 'petty' and 'bitter' and we're 'obssessed with them' when we do the most normal thing in the world.
 

Jamo Martinez said:
The worst thing is, there's no 'probably' about it mate. It's definitely what clubs the world over do. including them. Yet it's 'petty' and 'bitter' and we're 'obssessed with them' when we do the most normal thing in the world.
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I do think this "bitter" tag needs to get challenged. I have never had a coherent set of behaviours presented to me that mark Evertonians out as in any way different to any other set of supporters on this. It seems to be, disliking your opponent, wanting your opponent to lose and teasing them when they do seem to be the things that every set of supporters do.

Then there comes the imaginary evidence. When dealing with LFC fans you are dealing with a body that has the collective consciousness of a delusional and mentally ill patient. The "Everton lied down and cheered for Manchester City" has become almost gospel now, without any shred of evidence. Go back and watch the game, watch Barkley score one of the goals of the season, watch Naismith bust a gut to try and grab an equaliser. Watch the fans groan when he misses, and take the roof off when Barkley scores. Also consider, had Naismith equalised they'd still not have won the league as they messed up against Crystal Palace.

All of these things are facts, yet in Kopite rhetoric the "Everton cheered for City" is allowed to pass as legitimate debate. It takes a special person, and a special fanbase to tarnish a set of opposing supporters in a manner based on lies and deceit. While it is completely untrue for us, we should also point out, that there is projection going on. Their own fans celebrated a Chelsea victory over themselves when it stopped United winning the league. Such is the hypocrisy of them. The only bitter and twisted supporters associated with our great City are them. Without doubt the City's shame.
 
Kopites are far more bitter than any Everton lad I have met.

They are bitter because despite spending an absolute fortune on players since they last won the league, they have generally been rubbish.

On top of that, they have had to endure Man Utd and Ferguson win a load of league titles, 2 European Cups and countless FA Cups, usually knocking them out on the way or in the final.

They have had to endure Mourinho and Chelsea winning the league, a club they hate and a manager they hate because, well, he wins stuff and doesn't big up Liverpool. Plus he has a knack of upsetting the knuckle draggers at Anfield.

They are bitter because they still view themselves as top dog. The team to beat. Yet to this very day, even with Tracksuit Tramp in charge, they can't beat the likes of Sunderland, Burnley and Bournemouth.

They live in a different universe to the rest of us where the FA, Ferguson, the weather and the media all conspire against them.

Yet we are paranoid and bitter apparently.
 
catcherintherye said:
I do think this "bitter" tag needs to get challenged. I have never had a coherent set of behaviours presented to me that mark Evertonians out as in any way different to any other set of supporters on this. It seems to be, disliking your opponent, wanting your opponent to lose and teasing them when they do seem to be the things that every set of supporters do.

Then there comes the imaginary evidence. When dealing with LFC fans you are dealing with a body that has the collective consciousness of a delusional and mentally ill patient. The "Everton lied down and cheered for Manchester City" has become almost gospel now, without any shred of evidence. Go back and watch the game, watch Barkley score one of the goals of the season, watch Naismith bust a gut to try and grab an equaliser. Watch the fans groan when he misses, and take the roof off when Barkley scores. Also consider, had Naismith equalised they'd still not have won the league as they messed up against Crystal Palace.

All of these things are facts, yet in Kopite rhetoric the "Everton cheered for City" is allowed to pass as legitimate debate. It takes a special person, and a special fanbase to tarnish a set of opposing supporters in a manner based on lies and deceit. While it is completely untrue for us, we should also point out, that there is projection going on. Their own fans celebrated a Chelsea victory over themselves when it stopped United winning the league. Such is the hypocrisy of them. The only bitter and twisted supporters associated with our great City are them. Without doubt the City's shame.
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They persist with their default mode of "if we don't talk about it....it will eventually evolve into it didn't happen" but as you've indicated, the additional element now is that "if we do talk about it often enough, it eventually will establish that it did happen". Anything to fit their own ultra flexible agenda.
 
catcherintherye said:
I do think this "bitter" tag needs to get challenged.
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I think the "bitter" tag is a hangover from when they were winning cups in the early to mid 00s. Despite us finishing above them and playing more successful football then we had for years before, and arguable since, we had nothing to show for it and to watch them lift the three handle cup etc. Schadenfreude became the norm. No different to other rivalries but the bitter tag has stuck IMO
 

GerryandthePaceMerchants said:
I think the "bitter" tag is a hangover from when they were winning cups in the early to mid 00s. Despite us finishing above them and playing more successful football then we had for years before, and arguable since, we had nothing to show for it and to watch them lift the three handle cup etc. Schadenfreude became the norm. No different to other rivalries but the bitter tag has stuck IMO
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They've won trophies before when we weren't doing so well and lets face it, schadenfreude regards them is always normal. They labelled us as bitter because we suffered most of all from the post Heysel ban and said so...vehemently and with reason. We should, of course, had kept our mouths shut and said nothing.
 
davek said:
Liverpool parking the bus at home.

Lol.
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Thank god someone else actually mentioned this. Not a single word from their fans about parking the bus, yet they slated Chelsea for it a few years ago and United earlier this season.

Liverpool doing it was described by one as 'contained them well'. Utter hypocritical deluded beauts strike again.
 
Jacob said:
They've won trophies before when we weren't doing so well and lets face it, schadenfreude regards them is always normal. They labelled us as bitter because we suffered most of all from the post Heysel ban and said so...vehemently and with reason. We should, of course, had kept our mouths shut and said nothing.
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I don't recall "bitter blue" being used until much later personally
 
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