ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[Khalekan]

Although not technically a euphemism it did help, as it would've done if you'd supplied context to the comment. Yours was just the one which caught my eye from a number of references on here and IRL of people disparaging the area as a whole. Happy to retract my "above post" comment.

No worries, Gerry

 

[LEONARD]

The editor of the Echo with a petition of 'local residents' opposing our new super duper stadium at the docks.

 

[Naisy'sCharitableLeanings]

Won't happen mate, the whole Fenway's / rs business model was based on the success at Boston...which was going to result in 77quid tickets at FC Big Stand. That got shot down, so phase II got binned.

'If' Fenway get a vibe via an 'outcry' they will have to either change the way they fund it or get the selfie stick mob to wear 77 pound or even higher, due to the time gap and the fact that they haven't been banking the difference...25(?) quid per spectator per game X the number of games = 25-30m per season 'shortfall'...up to when they decide to play catch up... if they ever do...which they won't.

They could let everyone in for free, but apply separate charges for each item of kit worn, banners taken in, photos taken, etc. They'd make a fortune and could build whatever they liked with that sort of cash...

 

[PITA]

Although not technically a euphemism it did help, as it would've done if you'd supplied context to the comment. Yours was just the one which caught my eye from a number of references on here and IRL of people disparaging the area as a whole. Happy to retract my "above post" comment.

Good post. Apart from the odd initial concern that it may divert funds from desperately needed services (which after recent announcements it looks like it wont as long as long as we don't default on the loan, which we wouldn't because of Moshiri) no reds I've come across have been overly negative about it nor had "heads falling off" over it.

A bit concerning to me is the number of blues, such as the above post, making disparaging remarks about the area both clubs are currently based in. Suddenly after being proud of our home and heritage for so long there seems to be a lot of snobbery about L4 and the surrounding area flying around, which is a bit upsetting.

Sadly the area is run down like a lot of inner city areas up and down the country. If you can't see that you're either wearing rose tinted glasses (which wouldn't surprise me) or you're being a bit precious.

 

[paulbefc]

Good post. Apart from the odd initial concern that it may divert funds from desperately needed services (which after recent announcements it looks like it wont as long as long as we don't default on the loan, which we wouldn't because of Moshiri) no reds I've come across have been overly negative about it nor had "heads falling off" over it.

A bit concerning to me is the number of blues, such as the above post, making disparaging remarks about the area both clubs are currently based in. Suddenly after being proud of our home and heritage for so long there seems to be a lot of snobbery about L4 and the surrounding area flying around, which is a bit upsetting.

It's not like you to stick up for them or criticise Everton, Gerry!

 

[Blues Harp]

As true as that may be I'm not sure how it's related to the point on my post you highlighted, chum? It was more about the "Yay we're leaving the RS in that [Poor language removed] area and going to the docks" attitude that a chunk of Blues seems to be adopting, and advertising. There only a park between us and the majority of match going blues are from in or around that area. Seems snobbish and contradictory to our mantra of being a club of the working class people. Just my opinion.

sorry lad but the majority of "Match going Blues" are from all Merseyside not just L4 ...jesus...

 

[paulbefc]

L4 has been a brilliant home, but it's crap in comparison with the waterfront, clearly. For a Liverpool club, being part of the famous skyline is as good as it gets in terms of location in this city. That'll mess with kopite heads going forward, often causing complete detachment, which is a great shame, but we'll get over it.

Leaving Goodison will be incredibly sad. However, I spent years not getting particularly excited about stadium moves because I thought I knew we'd be leaving for a lesser location. A Kirkby, WHP or SC. I didn't even consider the waterfront as I thought that ship had sailed out of KD. It's literally the one place that beats L4 in the whole city, to me. I'd rather add to our great history there than L4. I never thought I'd say that, but I never thought we'd get the docks.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

L4 has been a brilliant home, but it's crap in comparison with the waterfront, clearly. For a Liverpool club, being part of the famous skyline is as good as it gets in terms of location in this city. That'll mess with kopite heads going forward, often causing complete detachment, which is a great shame, but we'll get over it.

Leaving Goodison will be incredibly sad. However, I spent years not getting particularly excited about stadium moves because I thought I knew we'd be leaving for a lesser location. A Kirkby, WHP or SC. I didn't even consider the waterfront as I thought that ship had sailed out of KD. It's literally the one place that beats L4 in the whole city, to me. I'd rather add to our great history there than L4. I never thought I'd say that, but I never thought we'd get the docks.

Couldn't agree more mate,an iconic stadium "on the banks of the royal blue mersey" is literally the only setting I wanted us to depart Goodison for,I was gutted when we lost out on the Kings Dock and every other stadium plans since have left me cold,this will be the making of our club again.

 

[johnnydawg68]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-closing-gap-merseyside-derby-10109276

Everton are closing the gap on Merseyside derby rivals Liverpool — and not just in this season's league table

Get the next few transfer windows and that new stadium right and the Toffees can take over as the city's biggest club

By Stan Colleymore

The Merseyside derby is the biggest single game in English football.

You only have to look at the number of trophies the two clubs have won between them, compared with Manchester United and Manchester City, and Arsenal and Tottenham, to know that.

It’s a breathless 90 minutes — games pass in a blur.

Having played in East Midlands and Yorkshire derbies as well, I can tell you there is no match for the sense of duty you feel in the week building up to those clashes.

It is a huge game… and if Everton beat Liverpool at Anfield on Saturday, it will be even bigger than that because it represents a major step forward for the club and boss Ronald Koeman as they look to close the gap to their neighbours.

I’m not just talking about the six points that separate them this season, either.

Because a win would massively cement Koeman’s ability and credibility for a clear-out of one or two pieces of deadwood at Goodison this summer and mark the changing of the guard that is required.

And if Everton get their recruitment right over the next two or three windows, and if they get their new stadium right, then they have a chance of overtaking Liverpool as the biggest club in the city.

Liverpool, under FSG, don’t have a hell of a lot of money to keep going to the well to buy the £50m-£60m signings they need to kick on to the next level.

Farhad Moshiri has signalled his intent with a £300m commitment on that new Everton stadium and while he might not have the same sort of money Roman Abramovich has, we saw how quickly things changed for Chelsea under first Matthew Harding and then the Russian.

What is important for Everton is that they have the right man at the helm in Koeman — even though I wouldn’t say he’s on a par with the game's super-coaches yet.

He is a manager with a calm head who can guide them in the right direction, making sure they tick over and stay in the top five or six — the European spots — while that stadium is built.

They are set up to do that and if they stay there then in the next decade they can really kick on.

I really like Koeman as a manager.

Liverpool are currently top dogs on Merseyside and won the last derby... (Photo: Getty)

He’s a pragmatist and not someone who is all about style over substance. He’ll get the ball down and play tiki-taka, but he won’t mind playing direct as well.

I’m very dismissive of managers who have philosophies and stick to them even when they don’t have the players who suit it.

Koeman looks at his players and tries to get the best out of them individually, then work them into a team, and I like that a lot.

What he needs now is to kick on, and that would mean competing for trophies and out-thinking the likes of Jurgen Klopp and Jose Mourinho on a consistent basis.

If he can do that, then I can’t think of a better manager to guide Everton through a tricky time and close the gap that exists across the Mersey divide.

 

[ste d' indica]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-closing-gap-merseyside-derby-10109276

Everton are closing the gap on Merseyside derby rivals Liverpool — and not just in this season's league table

Get the next few transfer windows and that new stadium right and the Toffees can take over as the city's biggest club

By Stan Colleymore

The Merseyside derby is the biggest single game in English football.

You only have to look at the number of trophies the two clubs have won between them, compared with Manchester United and Manchester City, and Arsenal and Tottenham, to know that.

It’s a breathless 90 minutes — games pass in a blur.

Having played in East Midlands and Yorkshire derbies as well, I can tell you there is no match for the sense of duty you feel in the week building up to those clashes.

It is a huge game… and if Everton beat Liverpool at Anfield on Saturday, it will be even bigger than that because it represents a major step forward for the club and boss Ronald Koeman as they look to close the gap to their neighbours.

I’m not just talking about the six points that separate them this season, either.

Because a win would massively cement Koeman’s ability and credibility for a clear-out of one or two pieces of deadwood at Goodison this summer and mark the changing of the guard that is required.

And if Everton get their recruitment right over the next two or three windows, and if they get their new stadium right, then they have a chance of overtaking Liverpool as the biggest club in the city.

Liverpool, under FSG, don’t have a hell of a lot of money to keep going to the well to buy the £50m-£60m signings they need to kick on to the next level.

Farhad Moshiri has signalled his intent with a £300m commitment on that new Everton stadium and while he might not have the same sort of money Roman Abramovich has, we saw how quickly things changed for Chelsea under first Matthew Harding and then the Russian.

What is important for Everton is that they have the right man at the helm in Koeman — even though I wouldn’t say he’s on a par with the game's super-coaches yet.

He is a manager with a calm head who can guide them in the right direction, making sure they tick over and stay in the top five or six — the European spots — while that stadium is built.

They are set up to do that and if they stay there then in the next decade they can really kick on.

I really like Koeman as a manager.

Liverpool are currently top dogs on Merseyside and won the last derby... (Photo: Getty)

He’s a pragmatist and not someone who is all about style over substance. He’ll get the ball down and play tiki-taka, but he won’t mind playing direct as well.

I’m very dismissive of managers who have philosophies and stick to them even when they don’t have the players who suit it.

Koeman looks at his players and tries to get the best out of them individually, then work them into a team, and I like that a lot.

What he needs now is to kick on, and that would mean competing for trophies and out-thinking the likes of Jurgen Klopp and Jose Mourinho on a consistent basis.

If he can do that, then I can’t think of a better manager to guide Everton through a tricky time and close the gap that exists across the Mersey divide.

The biggest gap that exists across the Mersey divide is the one between the ears of the majority of kopites.

 

[Groucho]

One of the biggest reds I know, season ticket holder, is thrilled we are getting a new stadium.

He views it that anything that helps to regenerate OUR city is a positive. Quite a refreshing take tbh.
He spoke about the opportunity for more companies to invest in the area and that this waterfront project will bring more capital and jobs into the area.

So far it has been the out of towners and sub 25 year olds that I have spoken to that are most annoyed.

I will see if there are any opinion shifts as the ground move takes shape.

Good post. Apart from the odd initial concern that it may divert funds from desperately needed services (which after recent announcements it looks like it wont as long as long as we don't default on the loan, which we wouldn't because of Moshiri) no reds I've come across have been overly negative about it nor had "heads falling off" over it.

A bit concerning to me is the number of blues, such as the above post, making disparaging remarks about the area both clubs are currently based in. Suddenly after being proud of our home and heritage for so long there seems to be a lot of snobbery about L4 and the surrounding area flying around, which is a bit upsetting.

Not having a go at people outside the L4 area but many LFC fans are not from Walton/anfield. The amount of Bentleys, jags, merc, BMW and other high end cars leaving the outskirts of Liverpool is ridiculous. Do they care about Walton or Anfield ? No chance, most of them probably vote tory and think lower/middle classes should be butlers and maids.

As true as that may be I'm not sure how it's related to the point on my post you highlighted, chum? It was more about the "Yay we're leaving the RS in that [Poor language removed] area and going to the docks" attitude that a chunk of Blues seems to be adopting, and advertising. There only a park between us and the majority of match going blues are from in or around that area. Seems snobbish and contradictory to our mantra of being a club of the working class people. Just my opinion.

As someone born and bred in Walton I'm sad to see us go however I'm finding a lot of nasty comments directed toward the L11 area too, re: Stonebridge etc. I'm all in favour of the BM site however that doesn't mean we need to slate other areas. And yes, I regularly go to L11, I know the area.

I feel we should be pleased we're getting a new stadium without destroying an area and community, as Liverpool have done.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-closing-gap-merseyside-derby-10109276

Everton are closing the gap on Merseyside derby rivals Liverpool — and not just in this season's league table

Get the next few transfer windows and that new stadium right and the Toffees can take over as the city's biggest club

By Stan Colleymore

The Merseyside derby is the biggest single game in English football.

You only have to look at the number of trophies the two clubs have won between them, compared with Manchester United and Manchester City, and Arsenal and Tottenham, to know that.

It’s a breathless 90 minutes — games pass in a blur.

Having played in East Midlands and Yorkshire derbies as well, I can tell you there is no match for the sense of duty you feel in the week building up to those clashes.

It is a huge game… and if Everton beat Liverpool at Anfield on Saturday, it will be even bigger than that because it represents a major step forward for the club and boss Ronald Koeman as they look to close the gap to their neighbours.

I’m not just talking about the six points that separate them this season, either.

Because a win would massively cement Koeman’s ability and credibility for a clear-out of one or two pieces of deadwood at Goodison this summer and mark the changing of the guard that is required.

And if Everton get their recruitment right over the next two or three windows, and if they get their new stadium right, then they have a chance of overtaking Liverpool as the biggest club in the city.

Liverpool, under FSG, don’t have a hell of a lot of money to keep going to the well to buy the £50m-£60m signings they need to kick on to the next level.

Farhad Moshiri has signalled his intent with a £300m commitment on that new Everton stadium and while he might not have the same sort of money Roman Abramovich has, we saw how quickly things changed for Chelsea under first Matthew Harding and then the Russian.

What is important for Everton is that they have the right man at the helm in Koeman — even though I wouldn’t say he’s on a par with the game's super-coaches yet.

He is a manager with a calm head who can guide them in the right direction, making sure they tick over and stay in the top five or six — the European spots — while that stadium is built.

They are set up to do that and if they stay there then in the next decade they can really kick on.

I really like Koeman as a manager.

Liverpool are currently top dogs on Merseyside and won the last derby... (Photo: Getty)

He’s a pragmatist and not someone who is all about style over substance. He’ll get the ball down and play tiki-taka, but he won’t mind playing direct as well.

I’m very dismissive of managers who have philosophies and stick to them even when they don’t have the players who suit it.

Koeman looks at his players and tries to get the best out of them individually, then work them into a team, and I like that a lot.

What he needs now is to kick on, and that would mean competing for trophies and out-thinking the likes of Jurgen Klopp and Jose Mourinho on a consistent basis.

If he can do that, then I can’t think of a better manager to guide Everton through a tricky time and close the gap that exists across the Mersey divide.

Wow, an actual positive piece about Everton in The Mirror, and no surprises that it came from Collymore who has been fighting our corner for a good while now. Amazing that he used to play for that other lot yet he still gives us our due at the same time, good on him

It's like he's an actual journalist and not a biased charlatan, fancy that!

 

[anton66]

They're falling off,
They're falling off,
Heads are falling off.......

 

[DrEFC]

and if he wasn't arsed he wouldn't have felt the need to publish a whole article on it. If they weren't bothered nobody would be discussing it at all, yet they're all making the effort to post that they're not bothered. If you're not bothered in something you just ignore it, simple.

heads are rolling

Rolling, rolling, rolling down the river (Mersey)

 

[DrEFC]

As true as that may be I'm not sure how it's related to the point on my post you highlighted, chum? It was more about the "Yay we're leaving the RS in that [Poor language removed] area and going to the docks" attitude that a chunk of Blues seems to be adopting, and advertising. There only a park between us and the majority of match going blues are from in or around that area. Seems snobbish and contradictory to our mantra of being a club of the working class people. Just my opinion.

I'm sorry but I haven't heard that, edit: bar Khalekan's post, but I'm not surprised blues are giving it to reds after bring mocked for a generation about being poor rivals. I am happy that the docks are more salubrious than walton. I'm happy Everton will leave a legacy project there, could of left it to rack and ruin for families like our neighbours.