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England v Algeria, 18th June 2010

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It's an Everton forum mate, so I'm just merely giving my view. The problem seems to lie with the England fans who want to live in their little bubble.



No one does condescending like England mate, look in the USA thread yesterday but that's acceptable right? Ghost was having a go at them there but when it's likewise it's not tolerated?

I'm here all week fellas.

Difference was mate I was joking, but your not joking, and I don't do it constantly.

In short you seem to be living to put people down - thing is you don't realise who your disappointing.
 
Difference was mate I was joking, but your not joking, and I don't do it constantly.

In short you seem to be living to put people down - thing is you don't realise who your disappointing.

Who am I disappointing? I've not had any PMs to outline displeasure, nor any negative rep, well apart from you like.

Maybe the contrary opinion is not what you want to hear, I'm just trying to help you mate but you don't want to listen.
 
Who am I disappointing? I've not had any PMs to outline displeasure, nor any negative rep, well apart from you like.

Maybe the contrary opinion is not what you want to hear, I'm just trying to help you mate but you don't want to listen.

Look , I'm 34 years old. I don't need you or anyone else to tell me that England at the moment are [Poor language removed]. That's not the ******* issue. I know there are idiots who watch England, as I'm sure there are with anyone else - that's just football. Turkish people stab their own fans ffs. How about those lads in the army watching from Afghanistan, are they blerts? Or are they putting their life on the line for their country? I'm English, my wife is English - yet you want to tar us all with the same brush and 99% of your posts recently have been about that very subject.

I'm disappointed with you - and I won't put it in PM's. Once again a preview that I didn't want to do has become a defend England against the person who apparently knows the score of the delusional blert.

What do you want me to do? **** England, burn my flags, publically say that yes England is [Poor language removed], go Slovenia? Would that help?
 
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If you state that England are [Poor language removed] and apologise for all the fan atrocities committed in the name of England over the years then I will accept it. Also say sorry for Thatcher too please.

What difference would it make though? Look I hate the drink culture in this country, I hate the fact women are now going out and getting stupidly drunk every night and that I am not single when it finally happened. I hate the cockney element that people attach to England as the flagship.

But I live in a beautiful English village, there are many many beautiful parts of this country with some great people, we have soldiers out there fighting for their lives against tyrants and other evils.

Now of course that has nothing to do with Football, but then neither has Thatcher has she?
 

And to the Spanish for disproportionate force shown to their ships. It's a consistent England theme.

Stop trying to bring the soldiers into it to gain a moral card, it's a separate issue and one which I won't be sucked into. It's also disgraceful that you're doing that to be fair.
 
And to the Spanish for disproportionate force shown to their ships. It's a consistent England theme.

Stop trying to bring the soldiers into it to gain a moral card, it's a separate issue and one which I won't be sucked into. It's also disgraceful that you're doing that to be fair.

Then keep Thatcher out of it then.

Can we please return to talking about Football? Instead of this war of attrition?
 
Ok fair point. England are [Poor language removed], and horrible to watch play. What's going on with that?

Christ knows. Manager picks a team he think is going to win the game but then he picks the one player who can't defend against his dour skills, and the balance is capitulated.

He picks a formation that nobody in the Premier League ever really plays.
He doesn't know who his no.1 keeper is, and keeping the side under wraps till 2 hours before kick off is daft.

He constantly picks players who are not good enough for their club nevermind their country, and he fails to change anything to improve the side during a game.

By the way when I say He, I do mean Capello, but the same reasons can be attributed to any of the last 5 managers.
 

Well if it was a bad result for England it was an even worse one for Paddy Power as he promised to refund all losing bets if the game finished in a 'boring nil-nil draw' (Unless he claims it was not boring!)
 
Having slept on it (and, to be honest I slept through the whole of the second half anyway - too little sleep+too much alcohol+boring game) all I can say is we didn't win either of our first two games in '90 and '94 either and look what happened then. I can't believe Capello won't get this sorted out. If he doesn't then he's obviously a big part of the problem. I know it's difficult but the fans have just got to shrug their shoulders, think it was just one of those days and hope that the manager makes the changes at the start, rather than the finish - in other words Crouch MUST start or at least come on at half-time
 
Having slept on it (and, to be honest I slept through the whole of the second half anyway - too little sleep+too much alcohol+boring game) all I can say is we didn't win either of our first two games in '90 and '94 either and look what happened then. I can't believe Capello won't get this sorted out. If he doesn't then he's obviously a big part of the problem. I know it's difficult but the fans have just got to shrug their shoulders, think it was just one of those days and hope that the manager makes the changes at the start, rather than the finish - in other words Crouch MUST start or at least come on at half-time

Well if you remember 1986 we lost 1-0 to Portugal and drew 0-0 with Morocco.

We also have 1 point less than the Germans, 1 point more than the French and 2 points more than the Spanish (only played 1). So in retrospect it ain't all doom and gloom as far as the table lies, but it's the performance and the atmosphere that is disappointing me.
 
You're deluding yourselves fellas. If you get past Slovenia on Wednesday, and I've seen nothing to suggest you will, then you will go out to the first half decent team you meet.

The Capello thing is a peculiar one as he obviously has an excellent pedigree, I just think he's finding it difficult to cope with the media and fans being assistant manager as what usually happens. Lets not forget that Capello was the saviour of English football two games ago and now, predictably, he's a failure etc etc.

That's where a huge part of the problem lies with England, he should be given time to sort it out but perhaps won't. England are like the Newcastle of international football really, look at the fans.
 
You're deluding yourselves fellas. If you get past Slovenia on Wednesday, and I've seen nothing to suggest you will, then you will go out to the first half decent team you meet.

The Capello thing is a peculiar one as he obviously has an excellent pedigree, I just think he's finding it difficult to cope with the media and fans being assistant manager as what usually happens. Lets not forget that Capello was the saviour of English football two games ago and now, predictably, he's a failure etc etc.

That's where a huge part of the problem lies with England, he should be given time to sort it out but perhaps won't. England are like the Newcastle of international football really, look at the fans.

I'm not deluding myself mate, I don't think we are going to win the world cup, but I do think those players should give a performance - they do for their clubs on a regular basis.

Capello is a failure now because he has made some howlers in the media. He has picked a strange squad not based on form, which is what he intended to do when he became manager.

Also worth noting that there were rumbles about whether or not he was going to be England manager next season before this World Cup, and it's the media who are asking the question - but they for me are 10x worse than the fans as they try to get a rise to sell papers, just look at the Sun for an example there.

The problem isn't the fans. It's how the players have reacted - Rooney acting like a spoilt child in front of the cameras. Gareth Barry being more mature, level headed and understanding about the reaction.

Its absolutely no different than Everton fans when they boo their own. Its what happens. Tell you what I have noticed, i've watched all the games and only 2 teams can I remember where the fans have been heard singing. One was England fans, and the other is the Mexicans.

We all know the English fan is fickle, **** me I know that from sitting where I sat last season in the Blert End.

So in summary for me the main issue is the media who like Gazza said, they build you up to knock you down - unlike in the US where your a star for life. Here the media like to see a fall from grace as much as rags to riches story.
 

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