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Euro2020 Knock Out Rounds

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Nymzee said:
Why would it stop you wanting to support England? The team and the fans are two completely separate entities. There are many bad bell Everton fans but they don’t make you want to stop supporting them do they.
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That's a good point, and not an easy one to refute if I'm honest. I've lived in Australia for over 20 years and I've never been much of an England fan, apart from when I was a kid in '86 and we made up almost half the team.

The most ashamed I've ever been as an Evertonian was after the '09 cup final, when an absolute trumpet starting singing 'Everton are white' at a black employee at Wembley tube station. Another time many years ago I played a gig at the Blue House when what seemed like most of the clientele started a chorus of 'I'd rather be a P*ki than a red'. They're the only two racist incidents I can remember with any clarity from over 40 years of following the club, I imagine if I was a Chelsea or Stoke supporter I'd have many, many more awful memories.

I guess that's why I find it hard to support England - I don't want to be associated with middle aged cockneys and wools making false equivalences between a game of football and their own confused feelings of racial/national superiority. I do realise of course that they are far and away a minority, but a vocal minority nevertheless, judging from those booing the taking of the knee, or from some of the jingoistic melts posting in this thread.

I do really enjoy watching international football, it's great to see the absolute best in the world at any sport, but like rugby, cricket and athletics, I don't really get excited by whatever flag is being carried. If England win or lose on Sunday I'll watch and enjoy, but that's as far as it goes for me.

And having said all that, the tipping point for me this tournament was the adoption of Sweet Caroline. I hate Neil Diamond more than I hate Emlyn Hughes.

Apologies for the essay!
 
davek said:
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And then there was one.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I thought they struggled with that Boku lad most of the game in fairness
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You are right they didn't but at the same time when a team is fairly one dimensional and only has a couple of focal points you can plan and deal with the pace specifically. When you have multiple threats besides - KDB/Hazard you can't afford to.

Are Phillips/Mount going to be able to do the same thing to distract and pull away defenders? Find out in next weeks' exciting installment of England at the Euros.
 

Bishop Thumpety-Thump said:
That's a good point, and not an easy one to refute if I'm honest. I've lived in Australia for over 20 years and I've never been much of an England fan, apart from when I was a kid in '86 and we made up almost half the team.

The most ashamed I've ever been as an Evertonian was after the '09 cup final, when an absolute trumpet starting singing 'Everton are white' at a black employee at Wembley tube station. Another time many years ago I played a gig at the Blue House when what seemed like most of the clientele started a chorus of 'I'd rather be a P*ki than a red'. They're the only two racist incidents I can remember with any clarity from over 40 years of following the club, I imagine if I was a Chelsea or Stoke supporter I'd have many, many more awful memories.

I guess that's why I find it hard to support England - I don't want to be associated with middle aged cockneys and wools making false equivalences between a game of football and their own confused feelings of racial/national superiority. I do realise of course that they are far and away a minority, but a vocal minority nevertheless, judging from those booing the taking of the knee, or from some of the jingoistic melts posting in this thread.

I do really enjoy watching international football, it's great to see the absolute best in the world at any sport, but like rugby, cricket and athletics, I don't really get excited by whatever flag is being carried. If England win or lose on Sunday I'll watch and enjoy, but that's as far as it goes for me.

And having said all that, the tipping point for me this tournament was the adoption of Sweet Caroline. I hate Neil Diamond more than I hate Emlyn Hughes.

Apologies for the essay!
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Ffs after Saha getting our goal. I suppose it takes a fine stupidity to be racist either way so anything goes really.
 
davek said:
It's very logical.

If you dont want to see this horrendous government claim a ytrophy win in order to cover over its crimes then get behind Itaky.

I'm looking forward to the final, and it cant come quick enough to see those - cheats who have enjoyed home advantage in all but one game in seven - put in their box and piped right 'kin down.
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Let me guess your prediction is that England WILL get destroyed but if they do win it will because of being at home.

How is playing in a home environment cheating. If Everton played every round of the FA cup, to the semi final, at home and won the bloody thing I guess you will be calling Everton cheats as well. I guess if Germany win it in 3 years time they will be cheats, I guess Uruguay in 1930 were cheats, etc. etc. and bloody etc. I have just looked at World Cups as it intrigued me to find out how many host nations have won it and the answer is 6, so it is not the be all. You have to have the team and players to back it up and perform under that pressure.

Of course home advantage can affect the performance, however the extra pressure can also do strange things. We went out and did the job, deserved to win on merit, yes the penalty was extremely soft but the one that was not given was a penalty, in my opinion.

You are one very very strange person, but I am sure you know that.

What I would say in our 'Tory enabling' defence is that I do not support the fans, I support the football team. Anybody who looks at who else supports a team and then decides to make that his go to mantra for not supporting a team is just plain potty. If it came out that Mugabe liked Oasis and used Oasis songs for political gain, would it stop me liking Oasis,? Or if Boris Johnson suddenly declared his love for Everton and started to use us in political speeches, would it stop me from supporting Everton?.......It wouldn't by the way.
 
ilikecheese said:
But you just barely squeaked by a depleted and inferior opponent in the dodgiest of ways on home soil.

I mean celebrate and thank your lucky stars, but don't celebrate like you just won the whole thing.

It was like when the RS celebrated that draw a couple of years ago at Anfield. It was so cringe worthy. Someone with a better memory than me will remember that game.
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Haha, I can just imagine the fans just simply politely clapping for a couple of minutes and then walking out of the stadium.

I remember the FA Cup semi final against Utd, that was one hell of a celebration at the end. Everton songs playing 40,000 Blues singing and cheering, it was superb, I suppose that was wrong to celebrate like that, for what was a just semi final win.

Also, you cannot compare a home draw in the league to a semi final win in a major tournament, that is just a ridiculous comparison.
 

Thomasc said:
Agree
Kind of line brexiteers have been pushing out, as though it’s a moral victory for them personally and if you are against it leave what then believe is “their” country.
Small minded arse clowns.
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As bad as seeing Tory government ministers in England shirts “cheering on the lads.”
For match going fans these people have been the enemy, blaming the fans for Hillsborough, trying to bring in identity cards, allowing fences at football grounds, enabling the creation of the Premier League which mirrors their vision of Britain with the few troughing at the top and the majority struggling along day to day. And yet here they are, like they’re just like you and me, and football actually means something to them. Despicable frauds.
 
wandyr79 said:
Let me guess your prediction is that England WILL get destroyed but if they do win it will because of being at home.

How is playing in a home environment cheating. If Everton played every round of the FA cup, to the semi final, at home and won the bloody thing I guess you will be calling Everton cheats as well. I guess if Germany win it in 3 years time they will be cheats, I guess Uruguay in 1930 were cheats, etc. etc. and bloody etc. I have just looked at World Cups as it intrigued me to find out how many host nations have won it and the answer is 6, so it is not the be all. You have to have the team and players to back it up and perform under that pressure.

Of course home advantage can affect the performance, however the extra pressure can also do strange things. We went out and did the job, deserved to win on merit, yes the penalty was extremely soft but the one that was not given was a penalty, in my opinion.

You are one very very strange person, but I am sure you know that.

What I would say in our 'Tory enabling' defence is that I do not support the fans, I support the football team. Anybody who looks at who else supports a team and then decides to make that his go to mantra for not supporting a team is just plain potty. If it came out that Mugabe liked Oasis and used Oasis songs for political gain, would it stop me liking Oasis,? Or if Boris Johnson suddenly declared his love for Everton and started to use us in political speeches, would it stop me from supporting Everton?.......It wouldn't by the way.
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In a KO tournament, the home advantage can be rather tense and counterproductive if things don't go according to plan as in the first half yesterday. Once they quiet the fans down the silence can be lethal. Host nations lose tournaments all the time, and it didn't do Brazil any favors!
 
davek said:
It's very logical.

If you dont want to see this horrendous government claim a ytrophy win in order to cover over its crimes then get behind Itaky.

I'm looking forward to the final, and it cant come quick enough to see those - cheats who have enjoyed home advantage in all but one game in seven - put in their box and piped right 'kin down.
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It’s a game of football, somehow you are turning it into a party political competition. Anyway we’ve only got to the final because of Brexit…….
 

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