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Euro2020 Knock Out Rounds
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Jamo Martinez
Player Valuation: £70m
I'm sure if I hadn't cheered some England goals those fans would have been consoling Rashford, Sancho and Saka.
Haha. Every time I reply to a post now, it multiquotes that response from about 50 pages ago. Don't know what I've clicked on.
As for Grealish, All the Spanish fans I talk to rate him immensely.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
Been like RAWK in here after a RS derby win the last few days.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
First chance I've had to come in here since the final.
In fairness, the best team in the tournament won. Italy have been the most impressive since day 1 and also had to cope with the loss to injury of the standout player of the tournament during the early rounds. There's no doubt that losing Spinazzola took away a large part of their attacking capability.
I do believe the two best teams contested the final though. IMO Italy had the stronger XI, but England had the best depth of squad. It was just a shame that we had a manager that was reluctant to use that squad at important times during the tournament, and most notably during the final.
I think it's fair to say that if this tournament took place on schedule 12 months ago, then we wouldn't have done as well. Many of our younger players and the likes of Grealish, Stones and Shaw wouldn't have been involved. But this same group of players will still be around for the world cup next year, more experienced and with the benefit of this tournament behind them. A year ago I predicted that this group of players could mature into next years world cup, and this tournament has only confirmed that view if anything. The big question mark for me is whether the manager will/can learn from the mistakes he made in this one.
In fairness, the best team in the tournament won. Italy have been the most impressive since day 1 and also had to cope with the loss to injury of the standout player of the tournament during the early rounds. There's no doubt that losing Spinazzola took away a large part of their attacking capability.
I do believe the two best teams contested the final though. IMO Italy had the stronger XI, but England had the best depth of squad. It was just a shame that we had a manager that was reluctant to use that squad at important times during the tournament, and most notably during the final.
I think it's fair to say that if this tournament took place on schedule 12 months ago, then we wouldn't have done as well. Many of our younger players and the likes of Grealish, Stones and Shaw wouldn't have been involved. But this same group of players will still be around for the world cup next year, more experienced and with the benefit of this tournament behind them. A year ago I predicted that this group of players could mature into next years world cup, and this tournament has only confirmed that view if anything. The big question mark for me is whether the manager will/can learn from the mistakes he made in this one.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Disagree.
The Italy v Spain SF was a cracker and the standout game of the tournamnt between the two best teams.
I didn't rate the Spaniards until the KO phase, but they found a way of playing. They'll be one of the favourites in Qatar.
EverTheOptimist
Player Valuation: £8m
Boomer eardrums.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
Fair enough. Spain were unlucky in the semi final. But for all their good approach play they lack a reliable striker. They struggled in their group until the last game against a very poor Slovakia. They needed extra time against Croatia and penalties against a stubborn but average Swiss team. You can't say on the whole that they were the second best team in the competition because they played well against Italy.
I do think you are correct however in saying they will be one to look out for next year. As too will Italy and England and also France provided they change their manager. Half of their best players didn't even make the squad, and there was little sign of togetherness in the ones that did. That group of players won't win the world cup next year but if they refresh it with the younger players coming through they would be strong favourites.
I also believe the English players played under the handicap of poor tactics from the manager. I do think he's the right man for the job because the players obviously like and trust him, and squad togetherness is probably 40/50% of the battle. But he's too negative. You criticised our two midfielders and called them championship players, and I think that was unfair. They are both very good players at what they do but together they make a poor partnership. One of those 2 in a midfield 3 with 2 of Mount, Grealish or Foden would have given England a completely different look that maybe even you would have been impressed by.
duncs pigeon
Player Valuation: £35m
And these are the same people who criticise the set up when they only pick players from the media darlings. They are not poor players, not world class but were/are good enough to get a national team to a major final. Well done I say.Fair enough. Spain were unlucky in the semi final. But for all their good approach play they lack a reliable striker. They struggled in their group until the last game against a very poor Slovakia. They needed extra time against Croatia and penalties against a stubborn but average Swiss team. You can't say on the whole that they were the second best team in the competition because they played well against Italy.
I do think you are correct however in saying they will be one to look out for next year. As too will Italy and England and also France provided they change their manager. Half of their best players didn't even make the squad, and there was little sign of togetherness in the ones that did. That group of players won't win the world cup next year but if they refresh it with the younger players coming through they would be strong favourites.
I also believe the English players played under the handicap of poor tactics from the manager. I do think he's the right man for the job because the players obviously like and trust him, and squad togetherness is probably 40/50% of the battle. But he's too negative. You criticised our two midfielders and called them championship players, and I think that was unfair. They are both very good players at what they do but together they make a poor partnership. One of those 2 in a midfield 3 with 2 of Mount, Grealish or Foden would have given England a completely different look that maybe even you would have been impressed by.
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
Joking apart, I think they actually may be. Southgate's management looks to have a distinct ceiling though and I feel daft saying that after a world Cup semi and Euro final.
I think there's a couple of the "bigger" national teams in transition. If the likes of France get their act together though England would be a mile of the pace.
duncs pigeon
Player Valuation: £35m
Im an Englishman living in Wales and sat back in envy the way the Welsh fans enjoyed themselves, even the ones jumping on the bandwagon. They just annoy me though when they start the anti-English songs, there is no need.
Toast
Player Valuation: £80m
Formula 1: Lando Norris mugged and McLaren watch stolen after Euro 2020 final
Formula 1 driver Lando Norris was mugged and his team-issued watch stolen after the Euro 2020 final at Wembley on Sunday.
www.bbc.co.uk
Deffo needed some proper ‘mind yer car misters’ in that situation.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
Sorry for not replying to this earlier Jimmy. I'd forgotten about it tbh.
Yeah. I'm guessing I'm not a lover of a back 3 as it so easily becomes a back 5 when you're playing a good team. Plus I think for it to work offensively you need to have a baller playing in your middle 2, like Kroos for Germany or Jorginho at Chelsea, and as we know Southgate wouldn't do that.
I could understand it working against Germany because he was going like for like and relying on your players winning their man to man battles. As it happens, initially we surprised Italy and we scored one and could possible have had one or 2 more before they got to grips with the system. but the last 20 minutes of the first half and the first 20 minutes of the second half, Italy had us penned back and it was obvious a goal was coming. Southgate should have reverted much earlier to a 433, rather than as a reaction to the goal in my opinion. You can say that's OK with hindsight, but I, and probably many more millions across the country, were shouting just that at the TV from early in the second half.
I thought we gave as good as we got after the change, even though the 2 substitutions we made (Saka and Henderson) were poor, but the system meant we weren't hemmed into our box as we were before.
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £60m
It's definitely a ceiling.
Personally, i've got so much respect for Southgate. He's a really nice fella, he's worked tirelessly to restore the reputation of the national team (and succeeded), he's nurtured the young players, and repeatedly taken the pressure off them, and gave every player a reason to want to play for England again.
But he's too cautious, not for a long time, has an England manager had the wealth of attacking options like Southgate has, yet he remains loyal to his players, to the point of hindrance. Foden and Mount are terrific players, but i'm not sure they suit Southgate's style of play, whereas Grealish is an anomaly, where he suits all play, and makes things happen.
Calvert-Lewin never got a sniff, well, not when it mattered anyway.
Big time respect, but we've had two easier paths to the semi/final, and he's not taken it... BUT, he's broken down the barrier for me, and full credit to him, he needs to push on now though, and learn to be more attacking.
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £60m
I know it’s not nice at all, but parking your McClaren motor at Wembley on Sunday wasn’t the brightest idea was it.Formula 1: Lando Norris mugged and McLaren watch stolen after Euro 2020 final
Formula 1 driver Lando Norris was mugged and his team-issued watch stolen after the Euro 2020 final at Wembley on Sunday.www.bbc.co.uk
Deffo needed some proper ‘mind yer car misters’ in that situation.
Have to question security, don't you? Not sure what he expected to happen, wearing a £40k watch mind, but aren't security there to protect the customer?
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