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Everton 1969/1970 or Everton 1984/1985 Which Squad Was Better?

Which Squad was Better?

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Interesting listening to Gav Buckland on a pod recently. Saying these 2 teams are the only ones. Pre prem to beat every other team at least once in a 22 team league season. So The great Liverpool teams, Utd teams( busby babes) the spurs and Arsenal double winning teams, the great Forrest and Leeds teams didn’t do it.

Not sure how many teams have done it since the prem started, A few I’d imagine.

Also we won 43 games in a season in 85. Again a record, beaten by Utd in 2009 I think he said. Wouid they have played more games with the group stages now? Again probably been beaten by city a few times now , maybe Liverpool to.

Also that team 85 and the Utd team of 99. The only 2 English teams in history to play a potentially treble winning game.

A very very underrated side, but that’s not a shock to any of us. Also in 1980
Arsenal played the cup final first and
The cup winners final the following week. Losing both. I think had we had a week break to the Utd cup final we would have won the treble.
 
AsiaAsia82 said:
They say the 80’s team didn’t have superstars, but we lost Southall in 86 and it made the difference unfortunately.
But it would hard not to have Kendall, Ball and Harvey in any team but who with Sheedy or Steven?
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Different Times I know,
But bracewell and Reid played for
England. Kendall didn’t and I think Harvey got one cap. And
Bracewell would have got more but for injury
 

For people who were about back then, what did the club do so wrong following Kendalls departure?

just bad managerial appointments or was it deeper than that?
 
The major factor was the European ban - Lineker, Steven and Stevens left for European football, as did Kendall of course.

Colin Harvey was an excellent coach, a fantastic player and a great Evertonian, but he wasn't a good manager.

We bought average players to replace good ones.


zukai12_ said:
For people who were about back then, what did the club do so wrong following Kendall's departure?

just bad managerial appointments or was it deeper than that?
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Cork Evertonian said:
This is a question for those lucky enough to have seen both. These two sides are the greatest in our modern history, but which one was better? It's probably a difficult question to answer, but i think it makes for an interesting discussion.
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Great thread Corky. I was very young for the former but saw the latter regularly.

The former had the "Holy Trinity", West, Labby, Royle and on and on. Not a weak link anywhere just remember crying my eyes out when my hero Alan Ball was sold.

My parents had bought me my first kit including round neck shirt and a lovely white number 8 that was ironed on. White shorts and socks, and all came in a white cardboard box. I remember it so clearly!

80s squad went from relegation fodder to Cup winners in five months. I remember clearly the Kendall Out chants and the stuff painted on the walls.

The changes came when the side got a bit of steel with Reidy as chief enforcer, Gray who would go through anything and put his head anywhere. Big Nev, Sheeds etc

They started to play with passion, and supported each other to the death... figuratively speaking.

As to your question, it is like asking me which of my dogs is best...

I loved them both. So sad that they were both broken up prematurely...the earlier by poor bean counting decisions...the latter because of the European ban.

Still we managed another league in 86/87.
 

roy vernon said:
I’ve gone for 69-70, I am old enough to have been at all the home games and most of the always that season. The football was breathtaking, to this day I’ve never seen anything quite like it from an English club side. It’s just a shame that we hadn’t won anything in the two preceding seasons, the team, believe it or not actually peaked in the 68-69 season, but, somehow managed to finish that season without a trophy. We won the league in the most wonderful fashion in 69-70, but sadly, that magnificent side was coming to the end of the line. It was three fabulous years from that team and they could and should have won more than a solitary league title.

The team of the eighties was a different matter, they were a great team who peaked just at the right time to give them several seasons of trophies. For absolute, ‘raise the hair on the back of your neck’ brilliance, they just weren’t quite as good as the trinity team , or as Joe Royle jokingly referred to them the only 3 man team to win the league. It has to be said though, the 80’s team would have been far tougher to play against, the spirit was great and there were some right battlers in that squad.

I guess it’s all down to opinion and I’d say that somebody 10 years younger than me would have chosen the 80’s side, but for me, back in 1970 I was a young man making my way in the world, life was great and so were my football team. Happy happy days.
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The thought just struck me.... would the 69/70 team have managed to beat Bayern and then actually win the ECWC?

They had great disappointment in their European outings although I was only a nipper at the time.

Never forget that night against Bayern. I think it was voted on here a few years ago as the greatest night at GP in our history. How the hell I managed to make the Dublin ferry at 10.15 is still a mystery to me 36 years later!!!
 
zukai12_ said:
For people who were about back then, what did the club do so wrong following Kendalls departure?

just bad managerial appointments or was it deeper than that?
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Off the pitch we were average I think, success was down to HK 100%.
So it was as much a regression to the mean, as it was manifestly bad decisions. Europe ban and appointing Harvey as manager were two obvious setbacks, though.

HK going to Bilbao baffles me to this day. I mean I realise that is a proper football club, but such a strange move in hindsight.
 
Bluerover said:
The thought just struck me.... would the 69/70 team have managed to beat Bayern and then actually win the ECWC?

They had great disappointment in their European outings although I was only a nipper at the time.

Never forget that night against Bayern. I think it was voted on here a few years ago as the greatest night at GP in our history. How the hell I managed to make the Dublin ferry at 10.15 is still a mystery to me 36 years later!!!
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The 84/85 team beat Bayern because they could fight and play.

Could the brilliant 70 team do that ? Perhaps I can't remember.

The 84/85 team had a will to win that I've nog seen in any other team.
 
People who saw the 62/3, 69/70 and 84/85 teams have said that the Vernon / Young side were the best.. I was too young to make much sense of what was going on then. Of the other 2, 69 / 70 for me. They had grace and fire.
 

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